NT 006 - Hypothetical Country

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it's been a hot minute since we've

done any of this. I mean, it's

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minute since...

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hobbies that we've been

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you have to say? No, there's

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walked right into that, didn't

I?

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thing. But technically it's our

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congratulations. We got our

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but it's not really good or bad.

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well yeah but not all feedback

is necessarily good or bad it

could be neutral feedback like

if somebody sends us an email

and says i listened to your

show well that's neither good

nor bad

technically they didn't say

they liked it they didn't say

they hated it they didn't say

they're

giving us a hypothetical

thousand dollars they just said

i listen which by the way

we we definitely would

appreciate even emails to say

that you're listening

feedback@nontopical.com

is the place that you could

just send us emails to say i'm

listening because we're lonely

and

it's good to know that people

are out there always listening

to you always listening like

the

government and google and all

the other websites ios yeah

they're all listening like you

might not know that but like

literally anything that you

interact with

that has a microphone is

listening all the time and you

might say well wait a minute

they say that it

only listens when it needs to

well how is it gonna know that

you said its name unless it's

listening to

exactly like duh it's always

listening okay period the end

always listening

kind of creepy but oh well that's

life now nobody cares

and we recently specifically

yesterday celebrated

Independence Day here in the

United States

America Day America Day it

meant so much to so many people

like who I don't know I really

don't know that there's that

much national pride anymore

except for like a different

definition of pride yeah which

you know fine if you're into

that I'm not I'm not being

critical

but but I'm just saying like I

don't know many people that go

around singing the I'm proud to

be an American song anymore

that's a thing oh yeah it's a

famous country song or a

country-ish rock a country rockabilly

I don't know

it's a famous song though what

about the star spain band does

anyone sing that yeah I mean

people like

stand up for it at like sports

games and everything but like

you know like I cry hearing

that song I'll

admit it I cry man tears

hearing that song but

unfortunately it's less about

the the pride that

that's supposed to instill in

you about the country and and

it's more about it's more about

a sense of loss that that's

what our country used to

represent like our country used

to represent

like freedom and being able to

like start fresh and to you

know have the land of

opportunity and

all that stuff and maybe for

some people it still is like

don't get me wrong there there

are immigrants

who move here and like they

they find opportunities and

there are still some stories of

people who start

with nothing in life and work

their way up to having like a

great life and having and you

know

doing some great things but at

the same time i think those

those stories are fewer and far

between

at this point you know yeah

yeah i don't know like i mean

if you think about it for a

moment

like everybody likes fireworks

like that's that's what people

think of for the fourth of july

in the

united states fireworks

fireworks aren't american they're

chinese yeah i mean don't get

me wrong i

mean like most things that we

take from other countries we of

course perfect it supposedly

supposedly

like some of the best fireworks

in the world are made in the

united states we have the best

fireworks

uh okay so some may say they're

the best fireworks yeah no but

that i mean it's true like once

we

borrowed something from another

culture we tend to then put our

own spin on it i mean like

think about

burgers burgers like hamburgers

hamburg hamburgs hamburgs come

from germany yeah i mean that's

that's just

literally in the title of the

thing joy many but but tell me

did did germany come up with

like

gold foil line truffle oil like

ultra juicy half pound sirloin

like top tier

burgers with like ultimate

bacon and whatnot no no germany

didn't come up with 150 burger

or two thousand dollar burger

or whatever the ridiculous this

is that's us we unfortunately

we came

up with it anyway yeah so we

could make more money yeah

capitalism and by the way i'm

not downplaying

capitalism it's still the best

economic system there is it's

just uh capitalism has its

issues someone

should make a new economic

system that works well what

would that look like don't ask

me i just said

something yeah but i'm saying

like what would a better

economic system even look like

less poverty

more equal pay and also not

relying on only money to live

okay so

i mean that's not that's not

quite communism um that's more

of a socialist type of system

but but the issue

but but but the issue always

becomes then how how do you

even everything out and how and

what defines what

should be supported for

everyone versus what shouldn't

be supported for everyone what

do you mean

like okay so let's say the

government provides a steady

staple of three meals a day for

every single human

person in their country

regardless of legal citizens or

not the government says we're

going to provide food for

everyone

one one where does the money

come from for that two well

what happens if i don't like

the meals that are being

provided by the government do i

still have the right to

purchase my own meals

you know like what if i'm

getting sick of like

the government ration pork and

beans for the fifth time this

week you see the way you do

this is that

you have meal coins and every

person gets a certain amount of

meal coins per day and then you

can use

those meal coins to to to get

food how do you determine the

number of meal coins that

people get

i mean it's the same amount for

everyone but that doesn't work

why not well because

what if the meal that i got

with my meal coin wasn't enough

what if i'm still hungry then

you're a glutton

you do realize people naturally

have different sizes you didn't

let me finish okay so you get

meal coins

and you can use them to to get

one meal at a restaurant of

your choice but then you also

can get money and then you can

choose

either use your money for

something else or use it to get

more food yeah but the problem

is then you have

people scalping meal coins what

do you mean like if you can

just trade in your meal coin to

get money no

you can't trade any meal

funding it month but you just

said you could no i said that

you also get money

like for doing a job but you

can't trade in meal you can use

money to buy more food but you

you get three meal

coins per day probably so that's

it can you like take all of

your meal coins for a week say

and go to the

grocery store and then also

like what about like you making

your own meals does one meal

coin equal

like just a meal or does one

meal coin equal like you being

able to purchase the

ingredients for a meal

and if you want to make your

own meal you got to pay money

okay so there's one problem i

see in it there's

one critical flaw i see in your

plan here so we're relying on

the restaurants which is great

because

we're giving the restaurants

money but the majority of

people like like how many

people are just going to

take their meal coins and eat

at mcdonald's well you could

probably like order packages of

like make your own

meal or something or something

or like packages of certain

ingredients and where does the

money for

the these meal programs come

from and people have jobs uh we

need more manufacturing in the

usa or like

whatever country this is we

need more manufacturing so that

we can make more money

okay good point like need to be

able to actually have

industries operating within the

country that

can make money yep so like how

do you balance that out with

other services though so you

have meal coins

what about like health coins

how does that work because you're

talking about like trillions

and trillions

of dollars here so i'm just

trying to understand the

economics of this are you

saying that like then

you're going to take the 25 to

30 percent of taxes that people

are already paying on their

income when

you combine it with state and

federal or and you're going to

like tax it at 50 instead or

are you saying

that you like are going to

obtain the money through other

means somehow for for what

thing for for the meal coins

and for health where does the

money come from uh corporations

will actually have to pay taxes

for one

all businesses have higher tax

value depending on on their

their like their uh not profit

uh

no that's actually the the way

to do it yeah the way to do it

is by profit because

if you do it by like if you say

oh well we're going to do it

based upon your your income

your reported income

well they can schedule e like

have tax harbors and junk like

that so profit but the but yeah

the net

amount that you make has to be

reported to your shareholders

and you have to legally report

that

accurately otherwise like you

get in trouble with the federal

trade commission and they shut

you down and then the

government

steals the money anyway when

and then and then obviously you

still have the normal people

pay taxes too but

corporations and businesses

they they still have to pay

more so no more loopholes no

more loopholes but

then how does that prevent the

corporations from charging

people more to make up for the

fact that they're not

they're not going to have to

pay taxes there has to be there

has to be like a a a base value

like there has to be a like a a

limit to how much you can

charge for specific quality

products

but then that's the government

imposing quality controls upon

yeah like quality definitions

upon things i i i was just

saying i just started no no i'm

trying to think this through as

a legitimate exercise like i'm

not saying your ideas without

merit i think honestly

humankind like there's no such

thing as an ideal way to run a

country or place and the

problem is

things fall apart at the

economic level whenever you

talk about something so if i

say i think that every

human person regardless of what

country they're in deserves

access to food clothing shelter

water health care yeah okay

the issue is not necessarily

that that's a bad idea the

issue is the economics of the

idea

and the issue is also that

people will take advantage of

that idea to make money or to

hustle the system also for

for like the police system and

like some of the other stuff it's

volunteer system

uh but here's the thing i you

you don't get a gun right away

if you're a police officer you

have to

like work for a certain amount

of time before you get like

handcuffs but what if the

volunteers are all

like power hungry assholes yeah

there would be limits in place

you see there you have to do

certain thing for

certain amount of time before

you can get to go up and get a

certain thing like handcuffs or

something

so like so the first job for

every officer is parking meters

and and like an internship or

something

yeah you get like a test you

get like a little test and then

you go off the level so you're

saying this is a

volunteer thing then how do

they afford to live uh hmm are

we still in the hypothetical

country where

everything's already paid for i'm

thinking i i i because i don't

want it to be a paid thing

because then it

can become too corrupted well

right but i'm saying so then

the argument would then be like

that maybe like you have

shifts so that they can still

work at a job with something

welcome to our volunteer police

department

i mean volunteer fire

departments exist so i guess a

volunteer police department

could exist

yeah and obviously the

motivation is that if you work

high up not only do you get to

defend your country

but you also get a gun yeah you

get you get to keep like handcuffs

and like you just have like

somebody on your block

that's like the local volunteer

police representative and they're

the ones that like

kind of like how there's

neighborhood watch associations

yeah and also like they'd

probably make money from

like donations and stuff you

know the police do have to buy

equipment and stuff so they

have to have

some money that's coming in

yeah yeah so like you can

donate to them who's gonna

donate to the police like

especially in california like

well i'm serious like there are

some states where it's like i

mean i never

said that this is for the u.s

this is true this is a

hypothetical i i i i can't

believe this on the spot

i don't know much about

politics this is true this is

all hypothetical yeah this is

what the this is the key

of non-topical nothing that we're

saying will work in reality i

mean it might it might

i don't know i think if you

started a brand new country let's

say the slate's clean

and the economics of that

country are already pre-decided

around hey

we're gonna build our economics

in such a way that the state

slash country will take care of

health care food water shelter

clothing basic needs and

somehow also like the

government setup would have

to be different different so

that it's not as correct yeah i

mean you'd have to you would

have to have like a

legitimate way of doing things

where again maybe maybe the

motivation to to join the

police force or like the

volunteer departments is that

whoever has the best score in

each of those like emergency

facilities gets to run for

president

gets to what gets to run for

president i mean there's your

motivation you gotta gotta do a

good job learn

some humility and then if it

turns out you suck the people

can vote you out i mean that's

interesting

i don't know that's that's just

an idea yeah i don't know i

just came over there i don't

know i think

i think the only way this works

though is if you have

manufacturing well that and you

have to have a

country that is literally

founded around these principles

yeah not necessarily that

everybody gets

equal pay but that there's a

bare minimum that everybody

gets yeah like again you get

you get the food you

get the meal coins and you get

certain amount of clothes and

stuff and you get something

like housing

services and it wouldn't suck

like like back in like when

they first started making the

city so everyone's

like in these really small cramped

compartments well yeah but

again you you have to figure

government's

always looking to pay as least

money as possible well you mind

on what you do what you make

giant 3d printers

and then you 3d print walls for

houses those do exist exactly

you 3d print your houses and

then like

you like they're decent like

like they they they have enough

to provide comfortably but you

know if

you want to get a better

looking house like they're not

going to be pretty houses they're

going to be

functional but if you want to

get like a pretty house you

gotta pay for that you know you

gotta spend your

money yeah same thing like

maybe for cars i don't know i

don't know if everyone will get

a car or not

yeah i mean maybe everyone will

get a bicycle well i mean but

that that becomes a little bit

of a problem

yeah like cars do represent a

certain level of freedom yeah

so unless this is like a super

small country

like where you could bike from

one side of the country to the

other in like a day yeah in

which

case you're not going to have

the manufacturing necessary to

facilitate into the

corporations

necessary if you give everyone

a car though that's going to be

a lot of money

like i like 3d printing a house

okay but you can't really like

entirely 3d print a car i don't

think no

no no i don't think that's how

it works you can 3d print

bicycles but i don't think you

can 3d print

an entire car i know but all

that still costs money

regardless like yeah and if you're

3d printing it i feel

like 3d printing is like at

least a little cheaper than

like maybe because you're

buying like a bunch of

one materials so like people

might like cut you deals

because you're buying so much

welcome to the 3d

printed world look it's only

for like the the basic stuff it

needs to be functional and and

comfortable

enough and then if you want

something that looks pretty you

pay for it what if i want netflix

hmm look you you you have radio

and stuff okay

we the government wants you to

improve like we want you to

have leisure activities but we

also want those

leisure activities to be enriching

and encouraging you to learn

more so instead of giving you

tv or

internet-based uh tv services

we've given you a full stack of

ham radio learning materials

okay and a

starter radio you know here's

the most important thing i

think no political parties ever

i i i concur with

that uh some people would argue

that political parties are free

speech but they're not they are

they are limiting they are not

just limited corporations all

in half themselves yeah they

they are not-for-profit

businesses that hold a lot of

power and make profit and and

make a lot of money

yeah and they like i i still

kind of like the idea of like

few people from each emergency

facility get to run for

president if they've done a

really good job and like people

like them like i kind of i kind

of agree

with you in some ways on that

because they're like the

smarterly ones they have

experience if they're at the

well i think and people in

order to be able to be part of

local office and definitely

national office

you have to have been in some

kind of service position where

you've served your community

um and where you've

distinguished yourself as

somebody who truly has the best

interests of the

community at heart now don't

get me wrong that's hard to do

i know yeah it's really hard

because i i like

this idea this is actually

turning out to be a decent idea

yeah if only we could actually

like put it into

practice don't worry the fbi

will steal us away someday fbi

cia one of them you know like

hey ladies and

gentlemen our next our next

podcast episode is going to be

us walking around the

facilities at guantanamo bay

hey hey what was your water

torture session like the other

day oh it wasn't that bad john's

a little

bit more lenient but janice

holy cow i don't know what her

issue is with me she just she

just like gallons

like she's just pouring gallons

of water like john just does a

nice little drip this lady's

just pouring gallons

like all right back to what you

were saying what was i saying

uh you were talking about how

how you

kind of agree with yeah i i

think that you know to it

shouldn't just be like a lawyer

who has enough

money and can raise enough

money for advertising and stuff

but i really don't like that it's

kind of annoying

like also i really don't like

lawyers much in the first place

because originally you were

supposed to kind of

serve your own trial no no the

no that's not that's not true

there have been lawyers around

for

yeah hundreds of hundreds of

years in the beginning like it

was if if some if if you did

something

someone that they didn't like

and they sued you it would be

you versus them

no in the beginning there was

no lawsuit in the beginning

there was a chance that if you

did something wrong to

someone else they would come

and kill you that's not what i

learned in history it depends

on how far

back in history you go i'm

saying like you'll remember if

you go back to biblical times

there was the the

the discussion of an eye for an

eye meaning if you cause harm

to me i get to cause equal harm

to you i'm saying

like uh united states the confederate

states it was like you you go

to a court and it's that's you

versus

them that that's no oh well

that's what i was well let me

put it this way the reason i

can say no

is it's enshrined in the very

constitution that you have yeah

the right to representation

confederate

states well the confederate

states were a whole disaster

unto themselves okay you're

citing the

confederate states which are no

longer a thing right back to

the theoretical state with its

own

economic system honestly i i

disagree on the lawyer part and

here's the reason why well yeah

like but

i i i'm i'm saying for like

president well for president

yeah i i think the reason why

people

make it into the presidency

aside but current current

president aside who have legal

expertise is

they understand legalese yeah

they understand the nature of

law and how to write laws and

how to you know

what it'd be it'd be cool in

this hypothetical country like

law documents would have two

versions the law speak

version and the normal people

version yeah i think that

having the terms of service

actually laid out in

a way that people could

understand yeah oh that's

something speaking of that this

country would totally

turn software companies on

their on their heads because we'd

like yeah

end user license agreements do

not represent a legally binding

contract in our society yeah

they if you want to protect

yourself and if you want to

make sure that you're

protecting your users

then you better be doing it

according to the written law as

opposed to writing a big legal

jargon

document that basically that

nobody reads oh don't get me

wrong you still have to have

privacy policies you

still have to have data

security policies yeah like

there'd be some things that

they can control but

but the end user license

agreement will not represent a

binding agreement between you

and the user at a

legal level yeah anyway this

could theoretically work it

could theoretically

theoretically i mean this all

started with meal coins you

gotta remember meal coins which

are not a bad idea hey can you

can you mine meal coins like is

this like a new crypto no i i i

again that would lead to too

much corruption crypto crypto

it has to be it has to be three

per day and then like maybe you

can get one at night like in

the office we'll do the the the

the the the the what do you

call it the amusement park meal

plan you get three meals and a

snack yeah basically yeah i i

think that that's a good basis

now in terms of health

that's this i don't know if we

can say free healthcare i don't

know maybe i think i i would

like it to be volunteer service

but then you'd get all the dumb

people i think the issue with

healthcare

is you would have to undercut

the entire insurance

pharmaceutical cabal

yeah and that's really hard

also uh similarly and no no

advertising for like medical

stuff for what

medical stuff yeah well i think

for like over-the-counter

medicines it's fine like you

know like the things

where it's like here's this one

thing that this thing might be

able to do here's a bunch of

side effects

oh yeah that that might kill

you yeah they're just just just

a few they you know there might

be some

weird sound effects it's it's

only side effects not sound

effects it's only one thousand

don't worry it's not

that many oh a thousand i

thought you meant like the the

cost no potential side effects

the cost of the

medicine is a thousand no

because i'm saying saying the

amount of potential the amount

of potential side effects

so uh so uh so healthcare

system how we do that well i i

would envision that basic

healthcare

i think that the law would have

to be that it's it's completely

not for profit meaning if you're

running a hospital if you're

running a facility it has to be

on a not-for-profit basis we

have basic

government healthcare that

covers most of the ordinary

stuff do they get government

funding yeah yeah

you cover basic healthcare that

covers most of your typical

things including cancer

arthritis stuff like that and

then you know you also have

supplemental plans

that you can purchase on top of

that

you know also we we should

probably have more humane

systems of farming

maybe if we can regenerative

farming yeah that's not that's

not as hard as people think

yeah people

like to make it all it's so

difficult it's so difficult but

it actually isn't it's just

that they

don't want to do rotational

farming and they want to keep

using harsh chemicals and all

that stuff fresh

produce is good for you fresh

produce is good for you and so

is meat both both those things

are good for you

uh it depends on type of meat

in general processed meat not

as well well i'm saying meat

like normal meat

normal meat yeah i'm normal

meat not overly processed okay

so some more natural meat so

not mr beast burger

which by the way for the record

is absolutely disgusting oh you're

gonna offend all the mr beast

viewers now i don't care

look all right if i need to say

something nice as well lunch

lee and feastables are pretty

darn good

especially feastables yeah

feastables good chocolate you

know not what normal americans

would like but good chocolate

so healthcare we continue that

so healthcare um not for profit

funded by government covers

basic horrible diseases

yeah like the only thing is

dealing with the bed problem

and the care problem because

one of the biggest

issues that there are right now

in countries that have subsidized

healthcare is having to wait

like oh

we have to wait like a month to

get a cat or two to three

months to get a cat scan why

because

there's only so many slots to

be had you know so like it's

like well we can only handle so

many people

and the government only gives

us so much money so then it

becomes kind of pay for play in

that

it's well can you donate to the

healthcare system in this

hypothetical country economic

system i mean

sure yeah because most of the

emergency things i feel would

have like donations like they

take donations

yeah but that still causes a

fundamental problem that if you

can afford to play for the

supplemental plan

you might get boosted ahead uh

i i don't think you'd be

allowed to skip plan

so it doesn't matter if you're

paying extra or not what you

get is what you get if you pay

extra there's

there's there's a chance that

they like might be able to get

another cat scan though and

then if if

you paid a majority for that

you get to go first maybe so so

if you have the half a million

dollars to

buy a cat scan machine you're

one person though and then

everyone else can use it it's

not only yours

right but i'm still making the

point like the argument yeah

but who who would pay half a

million

dollars to oh yeah no i get

that so but what i'm saying is

if you have supplemental and

also some of

that money would go to like

other stuff for right but i'm

saying if you have the

supplemental healthcare

it doesn't push you ahead in

the line you start to wait the

same i don't know a good way to

do it

you still have to wait the same

amount of time no i think

supplemental healthcare only

gives you

services that are outside of

the normal services so for

example if you want to be able

to like you

have a supplemental healthcare

plan that says oh if you want

to get plastic surgery aside

from like

weight related stuff that is

actually vetted meaning not

just like somebody that's

looking to lose 20 pounds

with somebody that's like

significantly overweight that's

a different thing but i'm

saying like you

have services like plastic

surgery like there there are

wellness services where it's

like oh i want to

do these like special anti-aging

treatments i want to have you

know maybe you do something

like i want to

have a lower overall co-pay so

i'll pay more up front and that

goes directly to the government

but like i have

a lower co-pay than everyone

else like stuff like that but

you're not gonna like you're

gonna pay

for extra services or lower co-pay

but you're not paying to get

the long to skip the line if

you make

a substantial donation which is

tax deductible like let's say

like on your tax return like on

our tax returns

we get a lovely little check

box that says do you want to

contribute to the re-elect the

president campaign

no i don't well like us on

their tax forms it would be

like do you want to donate to

the local order of

police do you want to donate to

the local order of fire

department do you want to

donate to the health care yeah

and see see this this the the

only way that this system would

fall apart is if people aren't

kind

well that's not gonna last very

long is it look i'm trying to

be optimistic here this is this

is this

is difficult for me well this

is true you're one of the most

pessimistic people i know so

airing i agree

though and actually the true

the same holds true for the

united states and other

countries as well is

that it's just that we have

failed well no no you cut me

off before i finish my

statement sorry if people

were fundamentally looking to

serve the greater good of their

community of their state and of

the national

interests if people were not so

busy clamoring over each other

and specifically in government

i'm not

saying individual people but if

people in government were and

businesses especially like big

corporations

were actually looking to serve

the public good like as a whole

rather than looking into how

can i line my

pockets how can i um how can i

you know take the people that

donated me the most money and

pass a bill

that will give them more money

um things would work much

better yeah like but they don't

yeah like

the whole giant spending bill

that they're passing or working

on passing very important

question yes

standing army yes or no i think

a standing army is important

but we can't pay as much if it's

if

there's no war well that would

be ridiculous well yeah wartime

pay is different than peacetime

pay that's

obvious similarly it would

probably also be like donations

and volunteer most of the time

you know yeah but i think

the key the key hi the key is

you have to have an army to

protect your country and navy

and

ships or sorry not ships uh uh

the air force yeah you have to

have something yeah because

like

first of all i mean especially

if the country does end up

working as well as we imagine

everybody's going

to want to try to get in or

take it over yeah or corrupt it

yeah and so you need a way to

protect

your people yep and you also

need a way to enforce

immigration that is fair and

just

but also gives people a a good

path to get in also another

idea you you can volunteer uh

like just being a

normal person uh and start at

the lowest level of the

military or if you've been like

a policeman or a

firefighter for like a good

long while and it moves up the

ranks you get placed higher up

in the military

yeah i think it depends on the

type of role that you have yeah

in the fire department or

police department

just because you are in a

hierarchical uh hierarchical

service position of some kind

does not necessarily

equate to you being a good

fighting force yeah like and

like for the firefighters they

probably get more

technical stuff yeah i think

firefighters would need to go

through a much more rigorous

training

to transition over they might

get like put in like a lower

class like still like decently

high up because

they have to i think police

officers like yeah because

police officers have to have a

certain level

of hand-to-hand combat training

medical training um being a

strategic training all of that

you know what

their their military training

would probably be much less and

they'd probably be able to get

into

things much more quickly yeah

but yeah i i like this

government idea it's good if if

only there were

people that were kind enough to

actually not corrupt it yeah

and i mean you could say the

same thing about

like i said the united states

if you look at the constitution

and actually read it as written

i mean

there's still some sketchy

stuff in it oh i'm not saying

there isn't some sketchy stuff

in there but i'm saying like

you know the constitution as it

was meant to be was not

horrible no the constitution

has not meant the

constitution became on the

other hand well and it's

especially with like people

people say the constitution

gives the right for this and it

gives the right for no you

already have that no exactly

the the constitution

the constitution says you

already have this right the

state is not allowed to infringe

upon it yeah of

course you know selectively

interpreted

by whichever political power

party happens to be in power at

the moment also there there

should be more

laws protecting the minors in

this in this country yeah i i

feel like we don't have enough

laws protecting the

minors well i would like to

correct you in your statement

and we don't have good laws

protecting

no i i want to correct you

further in your statement what

we don't have enough parents

protecting minors yeah

and that's the issue i think

that i mean you pointed this

out the other day when we were

at a big box store

yes there there was like kid

baby it was basically a baby

there was baby and baby was

just playing on

mom's cell phone uh it might

have been talking to dad but we

don't know might have been i i

doubt it yeah

it could have been talking to

that because i saw it like it

looked like a video chat of

some kind

yeah but the problem is that it

also could have been a short it

could have been a tick tock

yeah so we

don't really know but um look i

don't want to limit freedoms

and i don't want to criticize

parents but

but there do what to be some

protection but having a kid

under a certain age participate

in the internet

aside from school and aside

from supervised ways of

handling it probably not the

best idea now there

are levels of that so what i

don't want to do is turn around

and say like have parents

yelling at me

being like you know so you're

saying my kid can't watch

youtube you're saying my kid

can't do this that's not fair

no no that's not what i'm

saying what i'm saying is it is

up to you

to do the necessary due

diligence to make sure your kid

is not getting into stuff

that they shouldn't and there

is a reason why the

international standard for

being able to set up

an account without parental

consent is 13 13. and actually

in some countries it's going up

to 16. smart um

and that should be what it is

for our country and the thing

is that's not enforced yeah

like there's no

way to prove parental consent

was given it's presumed and we

also can't like track them

through their

computers and stuff because

that would be a that'd be a bit

too communist well actually

okay i mean yeah

we don't know if you're going

to do that there were laws

passed in the united states uh

specifically the

law i believe is called copa

which is the child a child

online privacy protection act i

believe

and what it basically says is

that's why if you sign up on

youtube

and your account is marked as a

child account so it's marked as

like under 13 or whatever

you know they can't show you

ads and you're not allowed to

engage with comments and they're

not

allowed to have an idea they're

not allowed to capture any data

on you i have had an idea okay

what if like on your own

document you get a unique

number and when you make an

account you have to put in

that number and then it will it

will it will like it only it'll

it will only look at the age

here's the problem

the problem that you run into

and this is what people are

actually afraid of because what

you're

talking about is having a

universal id of some kind oh

yeah and yeah that would be a

tracking system right

right for the internet like you

know there's a country that

does this it's called china

yeah they

have what's called like a

social like networking score

like and then the social credit

score yeah if you

go online and you say something

yeah it's directly tracked back

to you we can't do that and

actually

in great britain it's even

better yeah don't they have

something similar where you can't

like

yeah say anything bad about

anyone yeah if you're on

twitter x whatever any social

networking site and you say

uh like even if you're making a

joke which you shouldn't be

making necessarily jokes about

other

cultures but you make an off-color

joke all somebody has to be

like is this deeply offends

my cultural sensibilities this

deeply offends my closely held

personal beliefs and the uk

social

media police come knocking at

your door and like charge you

with crimes against humanity

yeah because you

offended somebody dang it like

that's a hate crime we can't do

that then but then how do we

verify it i

want to protect the miners i

think that's important the only

way you can effectively do this

let's put them all in orphanages

i mean no the way that you have

to do this is still somewhat

sketchy

but i think it's only that it

works so you set up the account

for the child yeah and while

you're

setting it up so like during

the setup process you you have

to put in like a driver's

license number

whether you're signing up as an

adult or you're signing up as a

minor if you're signing up as a

minor you

have to say this is my child

here is my driver's id or

whatever yeah there is a review

process that takes

place and the minute that

review is completed that data

is deleted yeah and you have to

have double and

triple redundancies to make

sure that one that data is

encrypted two that that data is

held and stored

perhaps on a separate server

that does not have a direct

connection to the outside

internet uh would

would there be people involved

or would it be ai because you

might be able to do that with

ai and then

no people would have seen the

well actually you can't direct

you couldn't put it onto a

machine that

doesn't have access to the

internet because you'd have to

have a way of validating the

information which

means connecting to external

databases yeah but regardless

it would have to be some kind

of double

or triple security redundancy

system yeah but my question is

would any other people see it i

think

when necessary yeah but there

can only be like three people

who are permitted to see it

most of the time

if at all i don't know if you

can do that i don't know i don't

know man because and the reason

i say

that is like you might need

manual review under multiple

circumstances so let's say for

example

i sign up for my account using

my driver's license but then i

also sign up for my son like i

get my son's

account set up and i put my

driver's license in there yeah

well my driver's license is now

technically

associated with two accounts

yeah so that might flag um and

you might have like a

validation request that

goes to your primary account

saying well actually no the

data wouldn't be stored so it

wouldn't be able

to double check that but then

that's problematic because then

anybody could use the same

driver's id

500 times why do miners make it

so hard to protect them this is

irritating yeah kids are stupid

we hate the

kids i mean what look look it's

just general truth kids are

stupid i mean they're not like

that it's not

like they're maliciously stupid

they're just their brains aren't

formed yet that's just the

reality of the

situation yeah kids do dumb

things that was part of growing

up yeah so i don't know but i

agree with you

overall that there need to be

better protections for children

but on the flip side i think

there need to

be better laws in general

regulating parenting and i'm

not saying regulating like

determining who can be a

parent and who can't but i'm

saying like

a certain level of enforcement

of the other rules and we haven't

figured out quite how to do

that but like

all right let's be honest

you didn't have a social media

account until what 11 i think

11 or 12.

and that was a youtube channel

i set up for you yeah so you

could upload your videos you

could argue though that i had

minecraft when i was eight i

just didn't yeah but we didn't

remember when i first went we

got you minecraft

when you were eight but did we

let you do any shared servers

no no period yeah we and we're

not oh

bored blue heron blue heron um

it looked majestic and that

wasn't to like cut you off from

society we

we weren't like people bad

therefore you shouldn't

interact with people no it was

more like

we know how social media gamifies

attention we know how social

media does open up certain

risks and now

it's even worse and now it's

even worse so there are sketchy

things that can happen on

social media there are

people who are predators that's

not the reason to stay off of

social media i mean it is a

reason

but the primary reason is to

keep your brain from thinking

in a way that engagement and

thumbs up

and liking is a way of life and

also short attention spans aren't

fun i mean

i mean as a as a as a as a an

embracer of the adhd lifestyle

as an involuntary uh embracer

of the adhd lifestyle i'll say

yeah i mean attention span can

be a little bit of a difficult

what were we talking about

again yeah so

yeah so so how do we protect

minors

well again we have to have some

kind of internet protection put

in place i i think

honestly maybe there should be

some kind of like parenting

curriculum

but the difficult thing with a

parenting curriculum

again we have to presume altruism

here unfortunately if we looked

at this from like

a normal society view at this

point this would never flop

because if we said let's put

together a

parenting curriculum for all

the people in the united states

it would immediately become

well do do do we do we talk

about child gender studies or

not do we talk about guns do we

talk

about like it's like no you don't

give the step by step on like

fully raising the kid but you

give a good general overview of

hey

this is generally how to keep

your kids safe online including

you don't hand kids a screen

until they're x and x age or

without supervision we might

not be able to enforce it but

we would

greatly appreciate it but like

the point is like to have a

course where it's like this is

the impact

hey do you want to keep your

child safe this is the impact

social media has here are the

scientific

studies back it up like on a

forming brain yeah here here

are the studies about like

child abandonment meaning like

you go off and do your own

thing and leave your child to fend

for

themselves but then give them

up and keep in mind there's a

balance with that because you

don't want

a child to be overly attached

to their parents either so it's

like a give and take i know

what you do

what in like high school or

something you have a video and

and it can be about that

oh yeah i'm sure high school

schoolers will file that away

oh it may not yeah i don't know

i think the

parenting course should be

mandated like whenever it

becomes apparent somebody is

going to be bringing a

pregnancy to term even if they've

already been through it once

before yeah like it's like with

divorce

with with divorce it doesn't

matter how many times you go

through the divorce

like it doesn't matter if you're

divorced three four five times

in connecticut at least every

time you get divorced you have

to go if there are children

involved

you have to go through like an

impact of divorce on children

course

period yeah so they probably

have something like that too

well yeah i'm saying also

religion yes or no

so here's what i'm saying i

think this is a good middle of

the road

very similar to the united

states the state will not

recognize a state religion nor

will it prohibit the

free practice of the religion

provided that said free

practice of religion does not

infringe upon other laws so

for example if your free

practice of religion means that

you're getting high as fuck and

you have underage

kids in your church as well no

that ain't gonna fly and i'm

not saying like i'm not saying

anything about drug

policy at this point um but the

big difference for religion is

not tax exempt oh yeah so you

can have a

religion and i'm fine with you

having religion but you're

gonna pay taxes it might be a

lower tax bracket but

not by much i mean unless your

religion doesn't make money no

religion definitely makes money

yeah dude

like don't get me wrong the

catholic church has made its

share of money but like

the southern mega churches like

their pastors give sermons like

hey you know what i was praying

to god and

god really said you know what

we need we need a second

private jet to be able to say

what well jay you

know like god told me you

should sell your first private

jet and donate the money to the

money to the local

food pantry no no my

interpretation of god's will is

different and it's the right

one yeah really is it

yeah we gotta tax those

religions that make too much

money no no i know i'm saying

in general

i feel like it'd be probably

similar to like the the company

thing where like it's based off

of how much

profit you make yeah religion

is not tax exempt period yeah

it is a business now it might

be a business

that's serving the public good

but it's still a business yeah

it might even be a not-for-profit

business

but it's still a business but

you have to prove that you're

not making any money or that it's

adhering to not-for-profit

standards and even not-for-profits

i think in this country

if you have a certain amount in

savings or if you have a

certain amount in whatever that's

going to

get taxed so i don't know maybe

you can't do not-for-profits

but then you can't do for-profits

for

medical so it's really hard to

figure out how to do that

because not-for-profits are not

taxable in the u.s

but like there's probably like

a certain how do you make

something how do you make a

standard of

not-for-profit while being taxable

there there needs to be like a

certain set of things that you

need to

check off for it to be a true

not-for-profit that isn't taxable

and otherwise it will be

considered

taxable i think that's true

today too but there's ways to

get around it so we'd have to

make the

tax code pretty clear yeah but

i'm saying religion should not

be should not be tax-free they

should

not get to survive rent-free

just because they purport to

serve the greater good

especially when

they're demon demonstrably

doing things with the money

instead of like investing in

charitable work

like they're they're buying

private jets i'm sorry that's

not allowed yeah now we talked

about religion

yeah let's talk about something

that can for certain people

under certain categories

cause religious experiences and

that's drugs so we already

talked about pharmaceutical

drugs let's

talk about recreational drugs

them hallucinogenic mushrooms

legal so here here's where i

stand on this

and there there has to be a

line somewhere so like there's

there's got to be a line

between like

hardcore like crack cocaine

heroin and other things that

like having it once can really

mess you up

and other drugs that are more

recreational like alcohol

marijuana cigarettes cigars

pipe tobacco i mean

for like the the common ones

probably probably like what is

here age of 21 to drink and

maybe like the same thing for

smoking yeah and i think

i think well i think it depends

hear me out i think if the

alcoholic beverage is at five

percent or less

18. okay because like if you're

having one standard what about

cigarettes and stuff now that

could be 21. yeah um i think

hallucinogenics

it depends on the nature of the

hallucinogenic i think at

minimum hallucinogenics should

be legal for medicinal purposes

under controlled circumstances

now the recreational side i

think that what you do on the

recreational side is you say

okay

let's say like the medicinal

dose makes you trip balls for

like two hours the recreational

would need to be something that

like lasts a fraction of that

yeah

yeah like at most an hour like

as for the hallucinogens and

that's very hard to control

because different people have

different reactions but like

average average time would be

an hour

yeah like on a live test source

yeah yeah i i think that that

the difference between the

medicinal version and the

regular version is that the

regular version like the legal

version you're going to come

down from it

in a relatively like short

amount of time span versus the

medicinal version you may be

having a very very long hallucinogenic

experience but you have a

trained

psychological professional in

the room with you to help you

to process and i think that

that would be fine yeah um i

don't know about other drugs as

much like uh there's mdma there's

uh molly which i think is mdm

day

yeah just say 21 for the same

there's party like there's

party like there are party

drugs that just make you feel

kind of loopy and make colors

brighter and stuff we so i don't

know on that um the one

exception like i said the

exception being you'd have to

do additional testing on

cocaine before you legalize any

aspect of it yeah um i think

heroin

heroin so again just to explain

the effects of heroin heroin

heroin heroin is a drug that

doesn't make pain go away it

just makes you not give a shit

so what i would say about

heroin is legal for medicinal

yeah just medicinal and what i

and canada has a great way of

dealing with this from what i've

heard

in Canada they will give some

patients heroin or the medical

equivalent of

heroin after a major surgery

and they will keep giving a

specific dose to the

person until they say hey this

is not working anymore could

you give me more

of it at which point they will

change you over to more

traditional pain

management medication so yeah

because the minute that

somebody starts feeling

like they're dependent on it

they and and even and also you

could say here's

here's some more heroin it's

just it's just different type

well no but it's not

well no you're not gonna

deceive patients but I'm saying

in terms of recreational

drugs I think the key for a new

country like a new brand new

country is to be as

objective as possible about it

and not to stigmatize it yeah

because one of the

big problems we have in the

United States is addiction well

yeah is addiction but

that's due to a variety of

reasons mental emotional situational

but one of the big

problems is we are very very

good at saying this thing bad

don't do it until

you reach a certain age then oh

it's okay hmm like the

education around something

should not be this

thing bad this thing good yeah

and the drug education in

classrooms should be here are

the

list of drugs legal and illegal

that you may encounter in your

everyday life either hearing

mentioned on the news you know

seeing you know sold etc.

these are the impacts positive

and negative of these drugs yep

and to repeatedly have that be

part of education so have it

like right like pretty much

every year yeah like sixth

grade seventh grade eighth

grade like anything from sixth

grade up yeah part of the

educational system is we're

educating you not on whether

drugs are good or bad but on

what they do but on what they

do

maybe throw maybe throw

pharmaceutical drugs in there

too so you can be like hey by

the way yeah pharmaceutical

drugs have side effects too let's

look at some of the common

pharmaceutical drugs and their

side effects and then it's like

every pharmaceutical drug has

like two or three pages in the

textbook with all the side

effects

those poor kids the drug

companies are like suing the

textbook companies like hey you

can't be pushing this stuff

what are you talking about

about we got this we got this

data from your own like drug

fact sheet yeah but

you can't put that out there we

just did why not it's available

freely on your

website but but you're gonna

scare people away from using

the drugs no we

listed the positive effects

with the negative and it's up

to the person we

state multiple times it's up to

you and your doctor to decide

what to use these

foreign land yeah and we only

covered the basic ones we only

covered the ones that

are more well known yeah we

didn't cover your like one-off

drugs or anything we

just covered like I mean unless

you want us to cover yeah but

we just covered

things like you know ibuprofen

and Tylenol and the flu shot

and stuff like that and

even with the flu shot like if

you look at your list of side

effects it's not

nearly as bad as your list of

side effects for chemotherapy

drugs so

okay there are two more things

to decide well we don't have

that much time do we

yeah we can talk about it

inside okay one schools how

does work and they are the same

or I I think the way schools so

first of all there should be

some kind of national

standard for performance and it's

not just about like can your

kid pass the test it needs to

be both

emotional development and

intellectual development yeah

it can't just be like well we

did you know we made

Johnny crammed for the state

math test and he got high

scores and then tomorrow he

forgets.

Like, first of all, that's only

measuring intellectual.

It's not measuring, hey, is

this kid's emotional needs

being met?

And I know it sounds weird to

say this.

And the bullies would all get Fs.

Right.

I know it's weird to be saying

this, but I honestly think that

some level of psychological

evaluation,

not like, you know, sit down in

a chair with a bright spotlight

on you in a dark room,

but like, no, just like

throughout the year.

Just ask how they're doing.

A school psychologist checks up,

reports back things, you know,

to parents,

asks parents, hey, what's going

on here?

You know, like if Johnny comes

in and says, like, my dad hit

me, well, that junk's got to be

investigated.

Yeah.

You know.

Especially since this country

cares very much about minor

protection.

Yeah.

How are you dealing with, like,

oh, I am being bullied.

Okay.

Well, what is happening?

Bring up the situation.

Explain things.

Because sometimes somebody's

being bullied and sometimes it's

an emotional response where it's

not really bullying,

but the person is so insecure

in themselves.

So you have to make that

distinction.

And that's not to say that I'm

calling out victims.

Like, I'm not siding with the

bullies here.

I'm saying that there is true

bullying where there are true

victims and that junk needs to

be taken care of.

But there are also situations

where somebody's like, well, I

feel bullied.

And there, it might have been

an interesting comment.

And while the person that made

that comment might need to, you

know, be a bit more sensitive.

Be more sensitive.

It also is the person is being

a little bit sensitive too.

And those underlying causes of

that sensitivity need to be

addressed.

Yeah.

I think in terms of schools,

though, there does have to be

some kind of national

curriculum.

It does have to cover health.

It has to cover sexual well-being,

obviously.

And sexual well-being based on...

Should there be stuff about

mental health?

Multiple studies.

Mental health.

Mental health should be

incorporated in it.

Logic at later ages should be

incorporated in it.

Funding for school.

Funding for school.

Again, largely state funded.

Yeah.

Well, it's town.

Maybe it's funded at the town

and state and country level.

Yep.

But I think we need to build a

program in there where if there

are private schools,

we have to work to make the

private schools accessible.

So, one, the private schools

are still going to be held to

the same standard of minimum.

Yeah.

Or minimum standard as everyone

else.

There could still be religious

schools.

There could still be private,

like, well-to-do schools.

There can be technical schools

that cover more programming and

stuff.

But they all must...

And colleges.

Yes.

But they all must meet the bare

minimum.

For that type of school.

And on top of that, if a public

school kid wants to go to a

private school,

then the state is going to

offset the cost of that somehow.

So, it's not going to be

limited to just, like, the

wealthy kids.

Yeah.

And I know that's like, well,

wait, the whole point of

private school is so that you

can have a different education.

Well, yeah, you're going to

have a different education, but

it's just going to be available

to more people.

So, if you want your kid to go

to a religious school,

Christian, Muslim, Buddhist,

whatever.

Islamic.

Yeah, I said Muslim.

Oh, yeah.

But that's fine.

Then they should have access to

do so without it costing $5,000

for the year.

Yeah.

Or $10,000 a year.

It's just ridiculous.

So, that's where I stand on

schools as a whole.

Okay.

And what's your final question?

So, one final question is, if

this country were to take off

and become known as the most

amazing country ever,

What are the rules for the

immigrants and refugees?

It's hard to say.

I think when it comes to

refugees, refugees, first of

all, there's a vetting process.

Like, you have to be able to

show us proof that the kid that

you're bringing with you is

actually your child or is

actually related to you in some

way.

Or the people that you're

bringing over are coming of

their own free will.

So, interpreters, etc.

Yeah.

But for refugees, I think there

has to be a demonstrable

conflict taking place in their

country.

It can't just be like, well, I'm

impoverished and I don't feel

like my country is taking good

care of me.

It has to be like, my life is

in danger.

Yeah.

And that's specifically for,

what do you call it?

For refugees.

Yeah.

For immigration, I don't know

specifically the best way to

word it.

But I think that there has to

be a very, you know, clearly

laid out process.

There will probably be some

kind of quota because you can't

like just rapidly accept people

in.

Yeah.

I don't think that it should be

expensive.

No.

I don't think that there should

be like an overly complicated

process.

But I do think that it's

several parts.

Part one is validating you are

who you say that you are.

And that you don't really have

a massive criminal record.

That anybody coming with you is

who they say they are.

And then I think the second

part is general education about

laws and like the key aspects

of the founding of the country

and that type of stuff.

And then the third part is kind

of ongoing, even after you

become a citizen, ongoing kind

of, I don't want to call it

integration because that then

sounds like brainwashing.

But like ongoing services to

make sure, hey, are you doing

okay?

Do you feel like you're part of

the local community?

Like what can we do to help you

to feel more productive?

Are you having a difficult time

learning whatever the language

is?

Are you having a difficult time

finding work?

Are you having, is your kid

having a difficult time at

school?

And making sure that we have

things available to make that

process easier.

And I think honestly, there

should be a like minimum

documentation fees for this

stuff.

And maybe like costs for

background checks.

But it shouldn't be like $5,000,

$10,000, $15,000.

It should be, okay, we ran a

background check.

You know, we double checked

your ID online.

That was like $50.

The education is included, but

there is like, we do have to

charge for certain

documentation.

Like when you get your

citizenship, when you have your

temporary citizenship.

You have to have a tax ID

number because you're going to

pay taxes.

Temporary visas.

Yeah, temporary visas, that

type of stuff.

So you do have to pay for that

stuff, but it's not going to be

thousands of dollars.

It's going to be whatever a

legitimate document processing

fee might look like.

And last but not least, like

the actual citizenship.

Yeah, I'm sure that there's

going to be, you know, a

document charge for that

because we have to get you into

all the databases and

everything.

Whatever that looks like.

Because keep in mind, you have

to pay the overheads of those

databases.

So yeah, I think that there has

to be a vetting process.

I think there's also a maximum

quota based upon the

sustainable population that

your country can handle.

And the sustainable population

that your country can handle is

based on what industry is there

in your country versus the

amount of people that you have,

the amount of people that you

expect to be born natively and

immigration.

So if you hit a certain limit

of, well, we know we can only

sustain including births that

are going to take place this

year, current population and

immigration, we can only handle

5 million total citizens.

And because of that, our

immigration cap this year is at

like 500,000 people.

That's the cap.

And unfortunately, once that

cap is hit, you're going to

have to wait until another time.

And that also has to take care,

take into consideration

temporary visas for work and

stuff as well.

Because sometimes people come

to the country to work for six

months.

Well, that's still a body in

the country that has to be

cared for.

It's not like, you know, you

could just be like, well, you

know, there might be some

flexibility, but really all of

the immigration and stuff has

to be taken into consideration

of the well-being of the

country as a whole.

So we want to give people

opportunities.

Refugees, there's a little bit

of a different standard there

because you literally are

dealing with somebody who is

under life and death situation.

Whether they're escaping from a

cartel or whether their country

is just going to absolute crap.

Yeah.

And then you have to question

at what point does that refugee

situation become, we send you

back or we get you into the

citizenship program.

And what is the wait time for

that?

So there's still a lot of

things that have to be ironed

out.

And it's not a simple thing.

Yeah.

But this is still a decent idea

though.

And I think if you did come

over from another country and

you overstayed your temporary

visa or you snuck in.

Look, I hate to say it, but

there are laws for a reason.

So, like, if you legitimately

just forgot to file an

extension, then we'll call you

up and be like, hey, you're

still here, but your thing

ended 30 days ago.

Do you need to file an

extension?

Did you just forget?

And you only get so many

extensions.

Yeah.

At which point then, sorry, you're

out.

Or you can, like, reply to

visas and something.

Possibly, but you don't want to

reward people for, like.

Well, like, if, like, while you're,

while you still have temporary

visas.

Yeah, but it depends on what

the quotas look like at that

point too.

Yeah.

Because if there are other

people in line that have been

waiting to get in.

Yeah.

Just because you're on a

temporary visa doesn't mean

that, oh, well, we're just

going to let you jump the line.

So there's, there's got to be a

method to that madness, so to

speak.

Now, if you're just straight up

in the country illegally.

First of all, we will run a

criminal background check on

you.

Secondly.

Bye.

Like, and I hate being so mean

about that.

Like, well, there's mitigating

circumstances.

Okay.

Somebody that comes here

illegally, they don't have a

criminal record.

And maybe they have their kids

with them and they were

escaping from an abusive person.

Or, or they're like, they, like,

they, like, they, me, like, the

whole thing where they, the mace

and stuff on the farms and

stuff.

No, that, that would be

temporary work visa.

Yeah, but there are some that

do it illegally.

So, like, what would happen

then?

Well, first of all, that's a

horrible stereotype, presuming

that, you know, illegal

immigrants are the ones.

Okay.

Well, still, the point is then,

you should be offering a way

for those, for those people who

want to work to come here

legally.

Yeah.

Like, the question then becomes,

why are, are you doing this

illegally when we have a path

for you to do it legally?

And it depends on the

circumstances.

If the current set of legal

visas are available and the

person doesn't have a criminal

record and they have been

paying taxes using some kind of

tax ID, then maybe we will

offer them a temporary visa.

But if they're just straight up

here illegally, they're not

working, you know, they're not

in an asylum situation and it

was so bad that they couldn't

wait for the asylum process.

Then, or they have a really bad

criminal record and we found

that they're related to drug

cartels and stuff.

I'm sorry, but no, we're

sending you back.

And we're also making sure that

we fingerprint you and have

photos of you so that the next

time you try to come over, we'll

recognize you in the system

more quickly.

And that's the way it is.

Because I think that people

should have an easier path to

get in.

But if you have an easier path

to get in, either for asylum or

legit, asylum, temporary work

visa, or legit just becoming a

citizen.

If you have easier ways to get

in, then you have less reason

to do it illegally.

Yeah.

Yeah.

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