1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:16,230 What do you want to talk about? 2 00:00:16,230 --> 00:00:19,280 Mortar. 3 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:24,430 I have no idea what I want to 4 00:00:24,430 --> 00:00:25,060 talk about. 5 00:00:25,060 --> 00:00:27,640 Oh, I remembered something. 6 00:00:29,100 --> 00:00:31,830 I was browsing the internet one 7 00:00:31,830 --> 00:00:33,680 day, as one does. 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,400 Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. 9 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,850 I might have been browsing the 10 00:00:38,850 --> 00:00:40,840 Book of Faces. 11 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:46,410 And I came across this listing 12 00:00:46,410 --> 00:00:51,120 for a band that I liked coming 13 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,600 to Connecticut in October. 14 00:00:54,260 --> 00:00:55,550 And this band's out of 15 00:00:55,550 --> 00:00:57,480 California, and they generally 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,090 don't widely travel for the 17 00:00:59,090 --> 00:00:59,660 most part. 18 00:00:59,660 --> 00:01:01,040 Like, this is... I have not 19 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:02,550 seen them have a schedule like 20 00:01:02,550 --> 00:01:03,020 this. 21 00:01:03,020 --> 00:01:06,000 And so I jumped on it. 22 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,640 I was like, heck yeah. 23 00:01:08,300 --> 00:01:11,340 So, shout out to the band Steam 24 00:01:11,340 --> 00:01:13,400 Powered Giraffe. 25 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,650 They're definitely not what you 26 00:01:15,650 --> 00:01:17,470 would think of as like your 27 00:01:17,470 --> 00:01:19,550 average music group, I would 28 00:01:19,550 --> 00:01:20,140 say. 29 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,330 They do everything from like va 30 00:01:22,330 --> 00:01:23,860 udeville to electronic to 31 00:01:23,860 --> 00:01:25,580 everything in between. 32 00:01:25,580 --> 00:01:28,310 And it's all wrapped up in this 33 00:01:28,310 --> 00:01:31,300 wrapper of mime slash acting. 34 00:01:31,300 --> 00:01:33,280 Because their whole premise is 35 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:34,780 they're a bunch of steam- 36 00:01:34,780 --> 00:01:36,720 powered robots that were built 37 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:38,360 in the 1890s. 38 00:01:38,580 --> 00:01:40,890 It's a uniquely creative thing, 39 00:01:40,890 --> 00:01:42,180 though, to do. 40 00:01:42,180 --> 00:01:43,590 And I was actually thinking 41 00:01:43,590 --> 00:01:45,020 about this the other day. 42 00:01:45,020 --> 00:01:47,540 I used to get these really, 43 00:01:47,540 --> 00:01:50,470 really crazy ideas, over-the- 44 00:01:50,470 --> 00:01:51,740 top ideas. 45 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,720 Back when I was religious, I 46 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,180 used to teach confirmation 47 00:01:59,180 --> 00:02:01,940 group at my church. 48 00:02:01,940 --> 00:02:04,420 And confirmation is like the 49 00:02:04,420 --> 00:02:06,890 teenage level of, I am fully 50 00:02:06,890 --> 00:02:09,690 accepting this faith for myself 51 00:02:09,690 --> 00:02:10,910 , even though my parents are 52 00:02:10,910 --> 00:02:11,600 making me do it. 53 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:12,710 You've never been through 54 00:02:12,710 --> 00:02:13,600 confirmation. 55 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,080 You're welcome. 56 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:17,190 But I remember when I was 57 00:02:17,190 --> 00:02:20,060 younger, and this has happened 58 00:02:20,060 --> 00:02:22,810 less as an adult, you don't get 59 00:02:22,810 --> 00:02:25,180 these sparks as often. 60 00:02:25,180 --> 00:02:26,190 But, like, here's an example, 61 00:02:26,190 --> 00:02:26,580 though. 62 00:02:26,580 --> 00:02:27,630 And I'm choosing this on 63 00:02:27,630 --> 00:02:28,190 purpose. 64 00:02:28,190 --> 00:02:31,910 I remember we would do these 65 00:02:31,910 --> 00:02:33,740 retreats. 66 00:02:33,740 --> 00:02:35,720 And it's like an entire day 67 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:37,830 event to talk about religious 68 00:02:37,830 --> 00:02:40,130 stuff and try to make it fun. 69 00:02:41,780 --> 00:02:43,760 And really high-end retreats 70 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,580 usually have, you know, some 71 00:02:45,580 --> 00:02:47,390 kind of skit or some kind of, 72 00:02:47,390 --> 00:02:49,500 like, story wrapped around it, 73 00:02:49,500 --> 00:02:51,370 even though it's, like, rud 74 00:02:51,370 --> 00:02:52,900 imentary and fake. 75 00:02:52,900 --> 00:02:56,190 But I remember listening to the 76 00:02:56,190 --> 00:02:59,540 score for Back to the Future. 77 00:02:59,540 --> 00:03:01,690 You know, that big, like, main 78 00:03:01,690 --> 00:03:03,920 theme from Back to the Future. 79 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:07,860 And it sparked all these ideas. 80 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,820 It would be really cool if, 81 00:03:09,820 --> 00:03:11,560 like, I could find a control 82 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,390 panel that looks like the Back 83 00:03:13,390 --> 00:03:15,210 to the Future one, but I could 84 00:03:15,210 --> 00:03:17,150 shove it in my, like, back then 85 00:03:17,150 --> 00:03:18,900 I think I either had a Mercury 86 00:03:18,900 --> 00:03:20,040 or a Saturn. 87 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,630 And, like, have the flux 88 00:03:21,630 --> 00:03:23,220 capacitor in the back. 89 00:03:23,220 --> 00:03:24,720 And then we could do this whole 90 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,400 wraparound where, like, we've 91 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:27,740 come from the future. 92 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:32,560 And so, like, we've come from 93 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:36,200 the future and we're showing up 94 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,520 at this retreat. 95 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,240 And, like, to have a fog 96 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:41,670 machine with, like, a strobe 97 00:03:41,670 --> 00:03:43,010 light in the kitchen where, 98 00:03:43,010 --> 00:03:44,390 like, for some reason we show 99 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:45,620 up in the kitchen after the 100 00:03:45,620 --> 00:03:46,960 theme music is played. 101 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,490 And then at the end to have, 102 00:03:48,490 --> 00:03:50,230 like, a video where it's in the 103 00:03:50,230 --> 00:03:51,850 parking lot of the church and 104 00:03:51,850 --> 00:03:53,800 the car, like, hits 88 miles 105 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,680 per hour and disappears. 106 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,650 And there's the flames along 107 00:03:57,650 --> 00:03:59,310 the church parking lot and all 108 00:03:59,310 --> 00:04:00,060 of that. 109 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,060 And, of course, I'd have to do 110 00:04:02,060 --> 00:04:03,580 all of that in compositing 111 00:04:03,580 --> 00:04:05,370 because you're not going to set 112 00:04:05,370 --> 00:04:07,420 fire in the church parking lot. 113 00:04:07,420 --> 00:04:09,500 And, you know, you think about 114 00:04:09,500 --> 00:04:11,580 that idea and you're like, that 115 00:04:11,580 --> 00:04:13,160 's fucking absurd. 116 00:04:13,820 --> 00:04:16,080 Like, that's an insane amount 117 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,180 of effort to spend on a stupid 118 00:04:18,180 --> 00:04:20,190 retreat just for a couple of 119 00:04:20,190 --> 00:04:22,470 short video things and a moment 120 00:04:22,470 --> 00:04:24,480 where you have a fog machine 121 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,680 and some strobe lights. 122 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,060 But it was one of those 123 00:04:29,060 --> 00:04:32,640 creativity moments that I think 124 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:35,950 you experience a lot more when 125 00:04:35,950 --> 00:04:37,920 you're young. 126 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,430 And I would like to experience 127 00:04:39,430 --> 00:04:40,520 more as I'm older. 128 00:04:41,700 --> 00:04:44,680 My friends and I, we've talked 129 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,800 about this before. 130 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,240 I was super excited because I 131 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:49,560 was able to do a lightsaber 132 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:50,140 effect. 133 00:04:50,140 --> 00:04:53,550 Back in 2003, I was, this is 134 00:04:53,550 --> 00:04:55,990 the beginning of the dawn of 135 00:04:55,990 --> 00:04:58,880 digital being accessible to the 136 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:00,700 average person. 137 00:05:00,700 --> 00:05:02,010 Digital, like, effects and 138 00:05:02,010 --> 00:05:02,480 stuff. 139 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:05,230 The fact that I was able to do 140 00:05:05,230 --> 00:05:08,080 a lightsaber effect, not even 141 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,830 well, just do it, was enough 142 00:05:10,830 --> 00:05:13,630 for my buddy Josh to be like, 143 00:05:13,630 --> 00:05:15,720 oh, I've got ideas we could do 144 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:16,700 with this. 145 00:05:16,700 --> 00:05:19,790 Now, to be fair, the ideas were 146 00:05:19,790 --> 00:05:22,520 the ideas of teenagers slash 147 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,020 early 20s people. 148 00:05:25,180 --> 00:05:26,700 And the quality of the ideas 149 00:05:26,700 --> 00:05:28,150 were the same as teenagers 150 00:05:28,150 --> 00:05:29,920 slash early 20s people. 151 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:32,730 But still, it turned into a 152 00:05:32,730 --> 00:05:35,780 three-year project of us just 153 00:05:35,780 --> 00:05:38,850 doing stupid shit and putting 154 00:05:38,850 --> 00:05:40,460 it on video. 155 00:05:41,580 --> 00:05:43,190 And then putting it all 156 00:05:43,190 --> 00:05:45,490 together and being creative and 157 00:05:45,490 --> 00:05:47,280 having fun with that. 158 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:49,360 And then that eventually led to 159 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,540 us doing a public access show. 160 00:05:54,740 --> 00:05:56,720 And I kind of miss that 161 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:58,940 creativity where something 162 00:05:58,940 --> 00:06:01,240 sparks an idea in you and you 163 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,980 just get to run with that idea. 164 00:06:03,980 --> 00:06:05,960 Because when you get into the 165 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,010 workforce, you can get a great 166 00:06:08,010 --> 00:06:08,600 idea. 167 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,040 And the minute you get that 168 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:12,410 great idea, you then go to your 169 00:06:12,410 --> 00:06:13,700 boss and be like, boss, I got 170 00:06:13,700 --> 00:06:14,760 this great idea. 171 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:15,850 And they're like, well, did you 172 00:06:15,850 --> 00:06:16,560 think about this? 173 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:18,080 Did you think about that? 174 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,130 And then, of course, what it 175 00:06:20,130 --> 00:06:22,360 ultimately comes down to is, is 176 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,510 it what's best for the business 177 00:06:24,510 --> 00:06:24,900 ? 178 00:06:24,900 --> 00:06:26,640 No. 179 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,660 Is it in the budget for the 180 00:06:28,660 --> 00:06:29,780 business? 181 00:06:29,780 --> 00:06:31,200 And it's like, yeah, but this 182 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,340 is a really good idea. 183 00:06:32,340 --> 00:06:33,640 It could really change the way 184 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:34,520 that we do things. 185 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:35,660 It would be better for our 186 00:06:35,660 --> 00:06:36,380 customers. 187 00:06:36,380 --> 00:06:37,270 It would be better for us 188 00:06:37,270 --> 00:06:37,880 internally. 189 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,850 Yeah, but do we make more money 190 00:06:39,850 --> 00:06:40,000 ? 191 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:40,540 Exactly. 192 00:06:40,540 --> 00:06:41,680 Do we make more money? 193 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:43,990 I started taking things on 194 00:06:43,990 --> 00:06:46,930 creatively, doing music, doing 195 00:06:46,930 --> 00:06:48,440 programming. 196 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,410 Like, you already like doing 197 00:06:50,410 --> 00:06:52,560 the animation and the drawing. 198 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:53,860 Like, I know you like that 199 00:06:53,860 --> 00:06:54,820 aspect of things. 200 00:06:54,820 --> 00:06:57,760 The fact that you have an idea 201 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,520 and you just run with it. 202 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:04,960 That is something that I think 203 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,100 that you should hold on to. 204 00:07:08,100 --> 00:07:11,090 Maybe not in work when you get 205 00:07:11,090 --> 00:07:14,460 into the workforce, but always 206 00:07:14,460 --> 00:07:17,700 find a way to hold on to that. 207 00:07:18,540 --> 00:07:21,870 Because that creative spark is 208 00:07:21,870 --> 00:07:24,580 something that I think is 209 00:07:24,580 --> 00:07:27,620 missing in average life. 210 00:07:27,620 --> 00:07:29,250 Because everything's put in 211 00:07:29,250 --> 00:07:30,180 front of you. 212 00:07:30,180 --> 00:07:33,100 And creativity sucks. 213 00:07:33,100 --> 00:07:36,580 Yes, you heard me right. 214 00:07:36,580 --> 00:07:38,320 Creativity sucks. 215 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:40,000 I'm not that creative. 216 00:07:40,620 --> 00:07:41,280 No, no, no, no. 217 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:42,900 We're not playing this game 218 00:07:42,900 --> 00:07:43,520 again. 219 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,500 I'm not that creative. 220 00:07:45,500 --> 00:07:46,880 I'm just an animator. 221 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,860 I just steal all the other 222 00:07:48,860 --> 00:07:49,540 ideas. 223 00:07:49,540 --> 00:07:51,920 I take what other artists have 224 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,160 done and I build off of it. 225 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:55,290 Therefore, I'm not a real 226 00:07:55,290 --> 00:07:55,820 artist. 227 00:07:55,820 --> 00:07:57,790 Do you know what artists for 228 00:07:57,790 --> 00:07:59,680 all of, like, eternity have 229 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:00,300 done? 230 00:08:00,300 --> 00:08:02,390 Taken from other artists and 231 00:08:02,390 --> 00:08:03,740 built off of it. 232 00:08:05,260 --> 00:08:08,020 The greatest art builds off of 233 00:08:08,020 --> 00:08:09,280 other art. 234 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,020 So, like, Ghostbusters. 235 00:08:13,020 --> 00:08:14,480 You might say, oh, Ghostbusters 236 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:14,680 . 237 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,230 That was a completely unique 238 00:08:16,230 --> 00:08:16,700 idea. 239 00:08:16,700 --> 00:08:19,220 These are comedians. 240 00:08:19,220 --> 00:08:21,900 They built off of the comedy of 241 00:08:21,900 --> 00:08:23,820 other comedians. 242 00:08:23,820 --> 00:08:25,480 In fact, they flat out said 243 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,200 that they framed things. 244 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,250 Especially, like, in Ghostb 245 00:08:28,250 --> 00:08:28,780 usters 2. 246 00:08:28,780 --> 00:08:30,090 It was framed like, I want to 247 00:08:30,090 --> 00:08:31,880 say, like, Abbott and Costello. 248 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,980 Or, like, the Three Stooges. 249 00:08:34,660 --> 00:08:37,090 Which built their comedy off of 250 00:08:37,090 --> 00:08:38,440 other things. 251 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,710 Dan Aykroyd got the idea in 252 00:08:40,710 --> 00:08:43,590 part because his, like, great- 253 00:08:43,590 --> 00:08:46,280 great-grandfather was part of 254 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:49,140 the spiritualist movement. 255 00:08:49,140 --> 00:08:51,660 So, there, and actually did 256 00:08:51,660 --> 00:08:54,190 investigations of ghosts and 257 00:08:54,190 --> 00:08:55,260 whatnot. 258 00:08:55,260 --> 00:08:57,230 So, the point that I'm making 259 00:08:57,230 --> 00:08:58,840 is creativity, even if it's 260 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,830 based off of something else, it 261 00:09:00,830 --> 00:09:02,440 's still creativity. 262 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,410 But, as you know, as an artist, 263 00:09:05,410 --> 00:09:06,960 and I know you don't call 264 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:08,440 yourself an artist or a 265 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,120 creative or... 266 00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,270 What's the term that they use 267 00:09:12,270 --> 00:09:12,820 now? 268 00:09:12,820 --> 00:09:14,860 There's creator. 269 00:09:14,860 --> 00:09:17,600 Content creator. 270 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,000 And that's for, like, YouTuber. 271 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,500 Content YouTuber. 272 00:09:21,500 --> 00:09:22,000 Whatever. 273 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,410 The thing about creativity is 274 00:09:26,410 --> 00:09:27,760 it sucks. 275 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:32,160 So, what I mean by creative... 276 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,540 Being creative sucks. 277 00:09:34,540 --> 00:09:37,050 And creativity sucks. 278 00:09:37,050 --> 00:09:38,790 It's not that creativity sucks. 279 00:09:38,790 --> 00:09:41,760 In of itself. 280 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,670 What I'm saying... 281 00:09:43,670 --> 00:09:44,980 Doing it sucks. 282 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:48,040 Because... 283 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,590 That initial spark is lightning 284 00:09:50,590 --> 00:09:50,900 . 285 00:09:50,900 --> 00:09:53,110 That initial spark of a great 286 00:09:53,110 --> 00:09:55,610 idea is like, oh my gosh, this 287 00:09:55,610 --> 00:09:56,960 is a great idea. 288 00:09:58,220 --> 00:09:59,830 But then you have to do the 289 00:09:59,830 --> 00:10:01,900 work to make the idea happen. 290 00:10:01,900 --> 00:10:04,720 And that's not easy. 291 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:07,100 Unless you use AI. 292 00:10:07,100 --> 00:10:09,490 Then it's easy, but it also 293 00:10:09,490 --> 00:10:10,360 sucks. 294 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,050 So... 295 00:10:13,050 --> 00:10:15,820 Like, for example. 296 00:10:15,820 --> 00:10:18,150 You get an idea for a music 297 00:10:18,150 --> 00:10:19,100 track. 298 00:10:19,100 --> 00:10:21,130 Even if it's based off of music 299 00:10:21,130 --> 00:10:23,270 from a game that already exists 300 00:10:23,270 --> 00:10:23,580 . 301 00:10:23,580 --> 00:10:24,670 Or even if it's based off of 302 00:10:24,670 --> 00:10:25,740 music that somebody else 303 00:10:25,740 --> 00:10:26,320 created. 304 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,170 Guess what? 305 00:10:29,380 --> 00:10:31,700 You still have to... 306 00:10:31,700 --> 00:10:32,700 Relay out... 307 00:10:32,700 --> 00:10:34,460 All of the notes. 308 00:10:34,460 --> 00:10:38,700 You still have to... 309 00:10:38,700 --> 00:10:41,200 Then add your own twist on it. 310 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,500 And remix all of the 311 00:10:42,500 --> 00:10:43,950 instruments so there's 312 00:10:43,950 --> 00:10:45,700 instrumental balance. 313 00:10:45,700 --> 00:10:47,240 And stuff. 314 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,730 In the case of the stupid 315 00:10:48,730 --> 00:10:50,600 little Star Wars project that 316 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,050 my friends and I did. 317 00:10:52,050 --> 00:10:53,820 Because we had that genius 318 00:10:53,820 --> 00:10:54,480 spark. 319 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,020 Because I was able to make a 320 00:10:56,020 --> 00:10:56,940 lightsaber. 321 00:10:58,940 --> 00:11:01,310 Well, like I said, that project 322 00:11:01,310 --> 00:11:02,780 took three years. 323 00:11:02,780 --> 00:11:08,540 The first day of filming, it 324 00:11:08,540 --> 00:11:12,660 was interesting. 325 00:11:12,660 --> 00:11:14,020 So first of all, my buddy Josh 326 00:11:14,020 --> 00:11:15,380 went and wrote the script. 327 00:11:15,380 --> 00:11:17,140 Which took time. 328 00:11:17,140 --> 00:11:18,610 And some of the script was 329 00:11:18,610 --> 00:11:20,360 there and some of it was improv 330 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:20,640 . 331 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:21,320 Alright? 332 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,880 But he did write a script. 333 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,340 And that took time. 334 00:11:26,340 --> 00:11:28,320 But then getting a bunch of 335 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,430 teenagers slash early 20s 336 00:11:30,430 --> 00:11:31,280 people... 337 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:33,220 At the same place. 338 00:11:33,220 --> 00:11:33,660 At the same place. 339 00:11:33,660 --> 00:11:36,060 At the same time. 340 00:11:36,060 --> 00:11:37,300 For free. 341 00:11:37,300 --> 00:11:41,220 That alone... 342 00:11:41,220 --> 00:11:43,780 Is a pain. 343 00:11:43,780 --> 00:11:46,140 Getting people in the same room 344 00:11:46,140 --> 00:11:46,440 . 345 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:47,880 Is difficult. 346 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,730 Then, as Josh discovered, and 347 00:11:50,730 --> 00:11:53,220 as we discovered... 348 00:11:53,220 --> 00:11:55,180 Getting people to stay focused. 349 00:11:55,740 --> 00:11:57,060 Once you get them there. 350 00:11:57,060 --> 00:11:59,040 Is difficult. 351 00:11:59,040 --> 00:11:59,940 Mm-hmm. 352 00:11:59,940 --> 00:12:02,380 And then filming the stuff. 353 00:12:02,380 --> 00:12:05,300 Or recording the stuff. 354 00:12:05,300 --> 00:12:06,680 Is difficult because... 355 00:12:06,680 --> 00:12:08,480 Guess what? 356 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:10,680 People mess up on their lines. 357 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:12,370 People didn't memorize things 358 00:12:12,370 --> 00:12:12,840 well. 359 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,120 People didn't come across well 360 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,390 in the thing that you're making 361 00:12:17,390 --> 00:12:17,760 . 362 00:12:19,300 --> 00:12:20,710 And I'm talking specifically 363 00:12:20,710 --> 00:12:22,160 about this larger project. 364 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,940 Technical issues happened. 365 00:12:24,940 --> 00:12:26,320 The battery wasn't charged on 366 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,020 the camera. 367 00:12:27,020 --> 00:12:29,600 The audio was bad. 368 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,700 Because... 369 00:12:31,700 --> 00:12:33,000 Well, back then the audio was 370 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:33,580 always bad. 371 00:12:33,580 --> 00:12:34,940 Because we didn't care about 372 00:12:34,940 --> 00:12:35,420 audio. 373 00:12:35,420 --> 00:12:36,500 We were just using the on- 374 00:12:36,500 --> 00:12:37,280 camera audio. 375 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:37,680 Why? 376 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:39,080 Who cares about audio? 377 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:40,280 We're just filming something. 378 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:41,440 We're doing this for fun. 379 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,420 But think about this for a 380 00:12:43,420 --> 00:12:44,200 moment. 381 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,320 A project that started off as a 382 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:47,520 fun little... 383 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:47,960 Oh, look. 384 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:49,220 I can make lightsabers. 385 00:12:49,220 --> 00:12:51,200 Turned into three years of pain 386 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:52,320 and suffering. 387 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:54,760 And let me tell you. 388 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:56,950 The first time doing a lights 389 00:12:56,950 --> 00:12:58,540 aber is exciting. 390 00:12:58,540 --> 00:13:00,570 But doing it for longer 391 00:13:00,570 --> 00:13:02,540 stretches... 392 00:13:02,540 --> 00:13:05,540 That are minutes long... 393 00:13:05,540 --> 00:13:07,440 Is no longer fun. 394 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,420 And just trying to get the 395 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:11,540 thing finished... 396 00:13:11,540 --> 00:13:13,480 Is no longer fun. 397 00:13:14,180 --> 00:13:15,850 And editing the video is no 398 00:13:15,850 --> 00:13:16,800 longer fun. 399 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:17,700 It is... 400 00:13:17,700 --> 00:13:18,860 Pain. 401 00:13:18,860 --> 00:13:22,520 And sustaining that level of 402 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:23,920 effort. 403 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,480 It's just like when we do this 404 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:26,200 podcast. 405 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,080 The idea was fun. 406 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,140 The doing it is not always fun. 407 00:13:33,140 --> 00:13:34,580 As we've discovered in this 408 00:13:34,580 --> 00:13:35,860 recording session. 409 00:13:37,580 --> 00:13:40,740 We've been recording for 35-40 410 00:13:40,740 --> 00:13:42,260 minutes... 411 00:13:42,260 --> 00:13:43,370 For something that's probably 412 00:13:43,370 --> 00:13:44,560 going to make 20 minutes. 413 00:13:44,560 --> 00:13:47,460 And I think that... 414 00:13:47,460 --> 00:13:48,380 Even for you... 415 00:13:48,380 --> 00:13:51,660 Working on music. 416 00:13:51,660 --> 00:13:52,840 Working on animation. 417 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:54,810 These are things that are not 418 00:13:54,810 --> 00:13:55,380 ... 419 00:13:55,380 --> 00:13:57,540 Instant gratification. 420 00:13:57,540 --> 00:13:59,320 Is my point. 421 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:01,900 The creative spark needs to 422 00:14:01,900 --> 00:14:03,440 start a fire... 423 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,410 That then burns down to these 424 00:14:05,410 --> 00:14:06,440 coals... 425 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,440 That are enough to sustain the 426 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:09,200 effort. 427 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,800 What keeps you going... 428 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,480 When you've been working on a 429 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:14,540 mod for... 430 00:14:14,540 --> 00:14:15,440 Two years? 431 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:17,960 Well... 432 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,800 Which one are you referring to? 433 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:21,960 Case in point... 434 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,460 What keeps you going... 435 00:14:24,460 --> 00:14:25,780 When you've been working on 436 00:14:25,780 --> 00:14:27,040 multiple mods... 437 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:28,560 For multiple years? 438 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,820 It has to do it. 439 00:14:31,820 --> 00:14:34,960 But... 440 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,820 Why do you have to do it? 441 00:14:37,820 --> 00:14:40,590 Because it would be rude not to 442 00:14:40,590 --> 00:14:40,960 . 443 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:42,500 So you have to do it because 444 00:14:42,500 --> 00:14:43,960 other people... 445 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:45,520 There's an expectation that 446 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:47,320 other people want you to do it. 447 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:48,120 Even though... 448 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:49,180 They've clearly shown they don 449 00:14:49,180 --> 00:14:49,600 't care. 450 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:50,540 Hmm. 451 00:14:50,540 --> 00:14:54,200 So... 452 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:55,080 For you... 453 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:56,200 It's... 454 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,220 The driving force for you is... 455 00:14:58,220 --> 00:14:59,200 It needs to get done. 456 00:14:59,200 --> 00:14:59,920 Hmm. 457 00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:02,220 I think... 458 00:15:02,220 --> 00:15:03,100 Ultimately... 459 00:15:03,100 --> 00:15:04,840 That's true for many things for 460 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:05,260 me. 461 00:15:05,260 --> 00:15:06,200 Oh well... 462 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:06,820 It needs to get done. 463 00:15:06,820 --> 00:15:07,540 It needs to get done. 464 00:15:07,540 --> 00:15:09,140 But... 465 00:15:09,140 --> 00:15:10,140 I think it's also... 466 00:15:10,140 --> 00:15:11,140 Again... 467 00:15:11,140 --> 00:15:13,620 That initial spark of the idea. 468 00:15:13,620 --> 00:15:15,140 Like... 469 00:15:15,140 --> 00:15:16,040 Going back to that... 470 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,220 That Star Wars thing. 471 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:18,960 There's still a scene that I 472 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:20,880 keep trying to work on... 473 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:21,940 20 years later. 474 00:15:21,940 --> 00:15:24,660 Because I'm unhappy with it. 475 00:15:24,660 --> 00:15:26,660 There's no logical reason for 476 00:15:26,660 --> 00:15:28,060 me to do it... 477 00:15:28,060 --> 00:15:29,100 Except for the fact that I'm 478 00:15:29,100 --> 00:15:29,880 unhappy with it. 479 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,530 So sometimes it's that personal 480 00:15:33,530 --> 00:15:34,640 drive. 481 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,520 But... 482 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:38,320 I... 483 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:39,460 I think though... 484 00:15:39,460 --> 00:15:41,760 The point... 485 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:42,460 Is that creativity... 486 00:15:42,460 --> 00:15:44,980 Needs to be encouraged. 487 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,420 And even when it... 488 00:15:47,420 --> 00:15:49,420 Isn't something that... 489 00:15:49,420 --> 00:15:52,620 Can happen at work... 490 00:15:52,620 --> 00:15:53,720 In the way that you want. 491 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:54,400 Like... 492 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:55,330 I can still be creative at work 493 00:15:55,330 --> 00:15:55,720 ... 494 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,060 Within the boundaries of work. 495 00:15:57,060 --> 00:15:58,420 I don't have an issue. 496 00:15:58,420 --> 00:16:00,300 I've learned to adapt. 497 00:16:00,300 --> 00:16:02,420 But... 498 00:16:02,420 --> 00:16:05,200 I love the idea... 499 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:05,420 Like... 500 00:16:05,420 --> 00:16:07,500 I have an idea for a podcast... 501 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:08,520 I'd like to start... 502 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:09,860 With my friend at some point. 503 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:11,900 I would love to do... 504 00:16:11,900 --> 00:16:13,740 Take like... 505 00:16:13,740 --> 00:16:15,000 Public domain books... 506 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:15,900 And do full on... 507 00:16:15,900 --> 00:16:17,900 Audio drama... 508 00:16:17,900 --> 00:16:19,900 Style... 509 00:16:19,900 --> 00:16:21,760 Readings of them. 510 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:22,900 Where you're doing... 511 00:16:22,900 --> 00:16:23,900 An audio book... 512 00:16:23,900 --> 00:16:25,900 But... 513 00:16:25,900 --> 00:16:27,720 You're adding sound effects. 514 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:29,260 You're adding music. 515 00:16:29,260 --> 00:16:29,780 You're... 516 00:16:29,780 --> 00:16:30,900 You're doing all these things. 517 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:31,180 Like... 518 00:16:31,180 --> 00:16:32,380 I love that idea. 519 00:16:33,140 --> 00:16:35,260 I hate doing it. 520 00:16:35,260 --> 00:16:37,620 And what do I mean by that? 521 00:16:37,620 --> 00:16:38,740 I... 522 00:16:38,740 --> 00:16:39,540 I... 523 00:16:39,540 --> 00:16:40,740 I hate the idea... 524 00:16:40,740 --> 00:16:42,850 Of going through all the effort 525 00:16:42,850 --> 00:16:43,620 ... 526 00:16:43,620 --> 00:16:44,540 To edit that. 527 00:16:44,540 --> 00:16:47,160 I truly do. 528 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:49,180 It pains me. 529 00:16:49,180 --> 00:16:50,320 Even... 530 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:50,780 Like I said... 531 00:16:50,780 --> 00:16:51,460 Doing this podcast. 532 00:16:51,460 --> 00:16:53,520 I love doing this podcast with 533 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:54,060 you. 534 00:16:54,060 --> 00:16:55,540 I love the idea of doing this 535 00:16:55,540 --> 00:16:56,700 podcast with you. 536 00:16:56,700 --> 00:16:58,000 But sometimes... 537 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:00,320 I really hate editing it. 538 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,220 It really sucks. 539 00:17:03,220 --> 00:17:05,560 Do you ever have moments like 540 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:06,280 that? 541 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:06,740 I guess... 542 00:17:06,740 --> 00:17:07,720 Where you have that initial 543 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:08,700 creative spark... 544 00:17:08,700 --> 00:17:09,440 And you just... 545 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:10,330 Run with it. 546 00:17:10,330 --> 00:17:13,260 What do you mean? 547 00:17:13,260 --> 00:17:17,500 You have an idea... 548 00:17:17,500 --> 00:17:18,800 And you're like... 549 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,090 I'm gonna go make this happen. 550 00:17:20,090 --> 00:17:22,250 That's what I've been trying to 551 00:17:22,250 --> 00:17:23,240 do... 552 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,480 For three years. 553 00:17:26,700 --> 00:17:29,850 And... 554 00:17:29,850 --> 00:17:31,500 And sir... 555 00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:33,000 If you had to boil down... 556 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,000 One word to describe... 557 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,700 Your experience being creative 558 00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:38,300 ... 559 00:17:38,300 --> 00:17:39,820 What would that one word be? 560 00:17:39,820 --> 00:17:42,000 Con. 561 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,610 Thank you. 562 00:17:43,610 --> 00:17:44,830 That's what I was looking for. 563 00:17:44,830 --> 00:17:47,240 True creativity is pain. 564 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:48,740 I mean... 565 00:17:48,740 --> 00:17:50,160 It's more of needing other 566 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,160 people to do it. 567 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:52,900 But also pain. 568 00:17:55,060 --> 00:17:55,540 Actually... 569 00:17:55,540 --> 00:17:56,640 There's a podcast I used to 570 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:57,540 listen to... 571 00:17:57,540 --> 00:17:58,460 Um... 572 00:17:58,460 --> 00:17:59,660 I'm trying to remember... 573 00:17:59,660 --> 00:18:00,700 The name of it now. 574 00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:02,280 Because I really... 575 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:03,830 I really liked it. 576 00:18:03,830 --> 00:18:05,740 And now I can't remember it. 577 00:18:05,740 --> 00:18:07,410 I don't know what it was called 578 00:18:07,410 --> 00:18:07,660 . 579 00:18:07,660 --> 00:18:08,220 What? 580 00:18:08,220 --> 00:18:10,610 It was called Cheese Cuisinella 581 00:18:10,610 --> 00:18:10,920 . 582 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,560 No. 583 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:13,800 No. 584 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:14,220 But... 585 00:18:14,220 --> 00:18:16,240 I just know that the... 586 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,080 YouTube creator... 587 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:18,580 Pushing Up Roses is part of it. 588 00:18:18,580 --> 00:18:19,560 So... 589 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:20,670 If you look up Pushing Up Roses 590 00:18:20,670 --> 00:18:21,140 ... 591 00:18:21,140 --> 00:18:21,520 You'll... 592 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:22,220 You'll find... 593 00:18:23,220 --> 00:18:24,220 This Gaming Podcast. 594 00:18:24,220 --> 00:18:25,510 And I can't remember the name 595 00:18:25,510 --> 00:18:25,830 of it. 596 00:18:25,830 --> 00:18:26,520 And I'm sorry. 597 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,580 But... 598 00:18:28,580 --> 00:18:29,580 The... 599 00:18:29,580 --> 00:18:30,580 The... 600 00:18:30,580 --> 00:18:32,580 They usually... 601 00:18:32,580 --> 00:18:34,560 End their podcast episodes with 602 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,060 the following phrase. 603 00:18:36,060 --> 00:18:36,780 Which is... 604 00:18:36,780 --> 00:18:38,080 Podcast is art. 605 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,820 And art is suffer. 606 00:18:39,820 --> 00:18:42,300 And I think... 607 00:18:42,300 --> 00:18:43,580 The problem... 608 00:18:43,580 --> 00:18:46,830 Even that AI... 609 00:18:46,830 --> 00:18:48,330 Actually, especially that AI 610 00:18:48,330 --> 00:18:49,480 brings into things. 611 00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:50,260 Is... 612 00:18:50,260 --> 00:18:52,260 Creativity and art... 613 00:18:52,260 --> 00:18:54,260 Is not... 614 00:18:54,260 --> 00:18:57,180 Instant gratification. 615 00:18:57,180 --> 00:18:59,260 It is the opposite... 616 00:18:59,260 --> 00:19:01,140 Of instant gratification. 617 00:19:01,140 --> 00:19:02,760 It is... 618 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,260 You pull yourself across... 619 00:19:04,260 --> 00:19:06,260 A bed of hot coals... 620 00:19:06,260 --> 00:19:08,980 That has glass in it. 621 00:19:08,980 --> 00:19:10,260 And crawl... 622 00:19:10,260 --> 00:19:12,540 And grind yourself... 623 00:19:12,540 --> 00:19:13,910 Against this bed of hot coals 624 00:19:13,910 --> 00:19:14,480 ... 625 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:15,260 With glass in it. 626 00:19:15,260 --> 00:19:17,230 Until you get to the other side 627 00:19:17,230 --> 00:19:17,440 . 628 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,580 And then maybe... 629 00:19:20,580 --> 00:19:21,720 Just maybe... 630 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:23,140 The creative thing that you 631 00:19:23,140 --> 00:19:24,160 started... 632 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:25,850 Looks... 633 00:19:25,850 --> 00:19:26,820 Almost... 634 00:19:26,820 --> 00:19:27,720 Or feels... 635 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:28,900 Almost... 636 00:19:28,900 --> 00:19:30,210 Like the idea that you had in 637 00:19:30,210 --> 00:19:30,900 your head. 638 00:19:30,900 --> 00:19:32,640 Maybe. 639 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,160 Or it spontaneously combusts... 640 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:36,020 And you get nothing. 641 00:19:36,020 --> 00:19:37,990 Yeah, you've had that happen a 642 00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:38,760 few times. 643 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:41,520 I've had that happen many times 644 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:41,760 . 645 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,480 But the fact is... 646 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:45,830 Is that... 647 00:19:45,830 --> 00:19:47,140 If you want to be creative... 648 00:19:47,140 --> 00:19:47,680 First of all... 649 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:48,530 You have to nurture that 650 00:19:48,530 --> 00:19:49,380 creativity... 651 00:19:49,380 --> 00:19:50,640 Which is very hard to do... 652 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:51,940 Because all creative things 653 00:19:51,940 --> 00:19:52,560 take effort. 654 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,700 And you have to... 655 00:19:54,700 --> 00:19:56,300 Be intentional about doing it. 656 00:19:56,300 --> 00:19:57,330 Which... 657 00:19:57,330 --> 00:19:58,160 Is hard. 658 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,520 But then... 659 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:01,820 You have to find the driving 660 00:20:01,820 --> 00:20:02,480 force... 661 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:03,440 To pull yourself forward. 662 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,480 And make the time to do that. 663 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,680 And keep doing it. 664 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:11,980 And that's part of the reason 665 00:20:11,980 --> 00:20:12,960 why we like... 666 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,080 I like to think that we keep 667 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:15,110 doing this podcast. 668 00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:16,820 It's just the act of creating. 669 00:20:16,820 --> 00:20:18,330 Even if sometimes we have 670 00:20:18,330 --> 00:20:19,940 nothing to talk about. 671 00:20:19,940 --> 00:20:20,380 And... 672 00:20:20,380 --> 00:20:22,350 Like this entire episode has 673 00:20:22,350 --> 00:20:23,380 been... 674 00:20:23,380 --> 00:20:24,380 Nothing but pain... 675 00:20:24,380 --> 00:20:25,380 Nothing but pain... 676 00:20:25,380 --> 00:20:26,670 Bringing ourselves through this 677 00:20:26,670 --> 00:20:27,380 conversation. 678 00:20:27,380 --> 00:20:29,320 If I'm being honest. 679 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:30,110 It's like... 680 00:20:30,110 --> 00:20:31,330 Well let's talk about music. 681 00:20:31,330 --> 00:20:31,880 Well shit. 682 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:32,740 That didn't work. 683 00:20:32,740 --> 00:20:34,880 Well let's talk about... 684 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:35,300 The... 685 00:20:35,300 --> 00:20:36,900 How music is constructed. 686 00:20:36,900 --> 00:20:38,000 And the different... 687 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:39,020 Well that didn't work. 688 00:20:39,020 --> 00:20:40,260 Well... 689 00:20:40,260 --> 00:20:40,740 Wait a minute. 690 00:20:40,740 --> 00:20:41,730 This reminded me of being 691 00:20:41,730 --> 00:20:42,720 creative in general. 692 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:43,110 Ah! 693 00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:44,460 Shit. 694 00:20:44,460 --> 00:20:45,640 Now we have something. 695 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,610 Now granted I'm doing most of 696 00:20:47,610 --> 00:20:48,740 the talking. 697 00:20:48,740 --> 00:20:49,240 But still. 698 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,540 It's... 699 00:20:52,540 --> 00:20:53,330 Not... 700 00:20:53,330 --> 00:20:55,330 Easy... 701 00:20:55,330 --> 00:20:56,980 To do this shit. 702 00:20:56,980 --> 00:20:58,980 And that doesn't mean don't do 703 00:20:58,980 --> 00:20:59,440 it. 704 00:21:00,110 --> 00:21:02,980 I will say this. 705 00:21:02,980 --> 00:21:03,740 Now you... 706 00:21:03,740 --> 00:21:05,980 You've worked on multiple game 707 00:21:05,980 --> 00:21:06,610 mods. 708 00:21:06,610 --> 00:21:10,320 And if I'm being honest. 709 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:11,280 None of which have been 710 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:11,940 completed. 711 00:21:11,940 --> 00:21:13,500 Not... 712 00:21:13,500 --> 00:21:15,350 Not blaming you for that. 713 00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:17,400 Because... 714 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,680 Your teammates are shit. 715 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:21,440 If I'm being honest. 716 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,000 And you have... 717 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,090 Designed... 718 00:21:26,090 --> 00:21:27,760 Animations. 719 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,110 Sprites. 720 00:21:30,110 --> 00:21:31,110 Done... 721 00:21:31,110 --> 00:21:31,320 Done... 722 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,040 Programming. 723 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:32,780 Done... 724 00:21:32,780 --> 00:21:34,420 I mean it's not really... 725 00:21:34,420 --> 00:21:36,390 It's not really programming 726 00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:37,200 that much. 727 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:37,920 Even so. 728 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,290 You've done mapping of music to 729 00:21:40,290 --> 00:21:41,160 ... 730 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:41,800 Graphics. 731 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,800 Okay. 732 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:48,800 At the end of the day. 733 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,700 Despite the fact that you... 734 00:21:50,700 --> 00:21:52,000 Have yet to get to a finished 735 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:52,540 project. 736 00:21:52,540 --> 00:21:53,940 That you've... 737 00:21:53,940 --> 00:21:55,500 Redone from scratch. 738 00:21:55,620 --> 00:21:57,000 A bunch of animations to make 739 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:58,160 them better... 740 00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,400 Multiple times. 741 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:00,500 Multiple times. 742 00:22:00,500 --> 00:22:02,800 And you've done music. 743 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,140 And sometimes you've even rec 744 00:22:04,140 --> 00:22:05,100 reated the music. 745 00:22:05,100 --> 00:22:07,620 After all of the pain and 746 00:22:07,620 --> 00:22:09,920 suffering... 747 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:10,620 And effort... 748 00:22:10,620 --> 00:22:15,620 Would you say... 749 00:22:15,620 --> 00:22:16,620 That... 750 00:22:16,620 --> 00:22:18,000 It's still worth it? 751 00:22:20,620 --> 00:22:21,240 I don't know. 752 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,240 So do you walk away with a 753 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,080 feeling of... 754 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:25,880 Do you know what? 755 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,180 I did something. 756 00:22:29,180 --> 00:22:31,600 Well do you mean when it's done 757 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:31,940 ? 758 00:22:31,940 --> 00:22:32,440 Or... 759 00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:33,620 No I mean even now. 760 00:22:33,620 --> 00:22:35,120 Like you look at the progress 761 00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:36,280 of your animation. 762 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,420 And you say... 763 00:22:38,420 --> 00:22:40,160 Wow you know what? 764 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,720 My first version... 765 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,240 As good as I thought it was at 766 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:43,960 the time. 767 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,340 That first version was shit. 768 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:47,880 Compared to what I could do now 769 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:48,080 . 770 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,390 I mean I didn't think it was 771 00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:51,860 amazing then. 772 00:22:51,860 --> 00:22:53,040 Right. 773 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,660 But I'm saying though... 774 00:22:54,660 --> 00:22:55,580 Even if you didn't think it was 775 00:22:55,580 --> 00:22:56,400 amazing then... 776 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,380 You have a certain level of 777 00:22:58,380 --> 00:23:00,300 satisfaction... 778 00:23:00,300 --> 00:23:01,180 In the fact that... 779 00:23:01,180 --> 00:23:01,920 You've improved. 780 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,460 I guess. 781 00:23:04,460 --> 00:23:07,290 Or that you're still creating 782 00:23:07,290 --> 00:23:08,920 stuff... 783 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:09,740 After all this time. 784 00:23:09,740 --> 00:23:11,900 So I think that the thing... 785 00:23:11,900 --> 00:23:13,020 That's awesome about creativity 786 00:23:13,020 --> 00:23:13,400 ... 787 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:14,970 Is after all that pain and 788 00:23:14,970 --> 00:23:16,380 suffering... 789 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:17,690 You look back and you're able 790 00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:18,440 to say... 791 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:18,620 Huh. 792 00:23:18,620 --> 00:23:19,780 Like I did something. 793 00:23:19,780 --> 00:23:21,760 Maybe it's not great. 794 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,080 But you know what? 795 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:24,480 Look. 796 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:25,860 I made that thing. 797 00:23:25,860 --> 00:23:27,740 And that's... 798 00:23:27,740 --> 00:23:28,740 That's the important thing. 799 00:23:28,740 --> 00:23:29,360 Is hey. 800 00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:30,100 Looking back. 801 00:23:30,100 --> 00:23:30,640 You know what? 802 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,370 This podcast might not be great 803 00:23:32,370 --> 00:23:32,600 . 804 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,640 This podcast recording... 805 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:35,300 Right now. 806 00:23:35,300 --> 00:23:35,840 Which... 807 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:36,100 Again. 808 00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:37,150 These are not really podcast 809 00:23:37,150 --> 00:23:37,760 recordings. 810 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,260 They're conversation recordings 811 00:23:39,260 --> 00:23:39,440 . 812 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,410 That we then cobbled together 813 00:23:41,410 --> 00:23:42,480 into podcasts. 814 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,480 But you know what? 815 00:23:44,620 --> 00:23:45,780 This might have started as a 816 00:23:45,780 --> 00:23:46,440 rocky road. 817 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,500 But we finally found a groove. 818 00:23:48,500 --> 00:23:51,400 That's kind of satisfying. 819 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,040 And if this was at all 820 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,500 satisfying for you... 821 00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:58,540 feedback@nontopical.com 822 00:23:58,540 --> 00:23:59,880 Let us know. 823 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,290 Or if this was valuable to you 824 00:24:02,290 --> 00:24:03,240 ... 825 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:04,780 In any particular way, shape, 826 00:24:04,780 --> 00:24:05,360 or form. 827 00:24:05,360 --> 00:24:08,140 So some value to this. 828 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:09,120 Yes, please. 829 00:24:09,120 --> 00:24:11,300 Please let us know you're out 830 00:24:11,300 --> 00:24:12,080 there. 831 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,160 You know? 832 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,760 That definitely shows value. 833 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,080 That and... 834 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:19,500 You know, hey. 835 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:22,580 As I mentioned, like... 836 00:24:22,580 --> 00:24:22,960 You know what? 837 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,980 We should release this complete 838 00:24:24,980 --> 00:24:26,740 recording at some point. 839 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,760 Just as a demonstration of... 840 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,800 How you take a longer show. 841 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:33,660 Or a longer conversation. 842 00:24:33,660 --> 00:24:34,770 And have to cut it down 843 00:24:34,770 --> 00:24:35,580 logically. 844 00:24:35,580 --> 00:24:37,440 To make sense. 845 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:38,700 And be entertaining. 846 00:24:38,700 --> 00:24:41,280 And then you realize. 847 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,480 This is a lot of work. 848 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:44,900 And so... 849 00:24:44,900 --> 00:24:46,430 You know, tossing us a little 850 00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:47,280 bit of money. 851 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,260 Does make us feel valued as 852 00:24:49,260 --> 00:24:49,920 well. 853 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:50,750 If you're getting value out of 854 00:24:50,750 --> 00:24:51,020 that. 855 00:24:51,100 --> 00:24:54,180 You can do that at 856 00:24:54,180 --> 00:24:55,860 https://ko-fi.com/nontopical 857 00:24:55,860 --> 00:24:57,240 You can give us a dollar. 858 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:57,960 Five dollars. 859 00:24:57,960 --> 00:24:58,540 Ten dollars. 860 00:24:58,540 --> 00:24:59,120 Or... 861 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:01,450 A hypothetical one thousand 862 00:25:01,450 --> 00:25:02,440 dollars. 863 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,120 We would love a hypothetical 864 00:25:04,120 --> 00:25:05,660 one thousand dollars. 865 00:25:05,660 --> 00:25:06,800 Especially in this economy. 866 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:07,860 So... 867 00:25:07,860 --> 00:25:08,970 If you could toss us some funds 868 00:25:08,970 --> 00:25:09,160 . 869 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,080 We'd appreciate it. 870 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,340 And we appreciate you. 871 00:25:11,340 --> 00:25:12,300 Thank you for listening. 872 00:25:12,300 --> 00:25:14,220 And until next time. 873 00:25:14,220 --> 00:25:15,100 Sir, do you have any final 874 00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:15,560 thoughts? 875 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,820 I don't have any. 876 00:25:19,820 --> 00:25:21,310 Yeah, the brain's pretty much 877 00:25:21,310 --> 00:25:22,320 empty right now. 878 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,960 I've used all the fuel talking. 879 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,080 Bye everybody!