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Alright, we're doing a car. So we're recording while we're in the car. As you heard me, maybe,

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always buckle up. It's the safe thing, and it's also the law in many places. Anyway, hello sir.

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So there's been some developments since we last spoke. I don't think that I'm going to...

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Maybe I'll talk about the move more another time, but I wanted to bring up what I have decided to call

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the Summer of Sequels.

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Dun dun dun! Dun dun dun! Yes, so...

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As we may or may not have mentioned multiple times during our last episode, the story of Carl,

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or DRG, the story of Carl, which you should definitely go listen to if you haven't. It's one of the better ones.

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In their sequels for the summer season. Now it is unofficially, officially summer as of today, because today is Memorial Day in the United States. And as we know, everything revolves around the United States. It's our Memorial Day that kicks off summer. Not your holidays. Clearly. Clearly. But...

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In the lead up to Memorial Day, there have been a couple of major releases of games that we've been tracking.

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We've been tracking. Yes. To use the news vernacular. So we, in the span of two weeks, have seen Subnautica 2 Early Access and Deep Rock Galactic Rogue Core Early Access both drop. And I will just say thank you, sir, for the birthday gift.

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Yeah. So he gifted me Deep Rock Galactic Rogue Core, which I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to play because of technology issues. Yeah. I'm on Linux. And... Steam was working on Linux fine. And then something happened. And now...

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Wow. Either Steam doesn't work. Either Steam doesn't work. Or DRG doesn't work. Or whatever. But I haven't even installed the new game because right now Steam's not working. I think it's... I have to reboot. So anyway.

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Okay. But Kit has had the great advantage and pleasure of getting to play both of these Early Access games. I have been watching his progress via not stalking because he actually has been live streaming and recording and putting stuff out there. So it's been fun to watch. And Kit, I'm going to be relying largely on you.

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Because... Oh, boy. Because... Oh, boy. You know, these... I have not played these. Me?

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I have simply watched you play. So... It's kind of hard to go through... Oh, and there was one minor other sequel thing that's out there. But that's not a game. It's... The Mandalorian and Grogu.

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Oh, no. Oh, yeah. I've heard things. Red Letter Media did their half-in-the-bag episode on it. And...

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I guess the first 45 minutes are decent and then it just kind of dies because...

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It sounds like... It sounds like... The Mandalorian. Yeah. Because... Because... What the theory is is that...

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The idea for this might have originally just been a new season of... The Mandalorian. Yeah. And then they were like, "Hey, people really liking this little baby Yoda guy. Let's... Let's release it out into the movies."

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Anyway. Let's start off in the order of release. Subnautica 2. Subnautica 2. What about it? So, your opinions thus far?

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It's... It's pretty good. Except that a lot of the creatures just... Just feel like... They're put there to get in the way and are just obstacles. And they don't really live and exist. So, what are some of the different mechanics?

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New stuff. There's... There's bio mods and adaptations, which... Bio mods have active and passive variants. Like, there's...

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One that... If you... If you swim at the sea floor, you get a little speed boost, which is a passive one. And then there's a dash, which is an active one. And later on, I think... I think there... There's a bio scanner. And I think it might let you get more bio mods by scanning stuff.

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And then stuff. Shocker. You get more stuff by scanning stuff in Subnautica. Wow. Wow. How original. Absolute cinema. And then the adaptations are permanent upgrades like heat resistance or being able to breathe the oxygen deeper down. Yeah. Like pressure. Yeah. Being able to deal with higher pressure and stuff. Yeah.

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One of the things I don't think that you mentioned is that you are a 3D printed human. Yeah.

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They 3D print you and implant your previous memories in and allegedly your previously dead body can't, you know, come back to life. There's a... There's things that are in place to prevent that. Allegedly.

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Allegedly. And you can also just be, you know, printed back to an older version of yourself and forget everything that happened. That sounds great. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. And you're overseen by Robot Overlord, which is something that both games have in common. One-eyed robot that oversees you and definitely isn't evil.

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isn't evil i i like the robot overlord in this one better like well i haven't really met a robot

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overlord in the original game yet i just have the pda yeah but but there's a robot overlord in

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subnautica 2 and it is much more friendlier and nicer than the pda which like i've only played

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some of the original game and it's basically like congratulations you might barely kind of have a

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chance of surviving yeah it's very cynical the robot in this one actually is like i'm here to help keep

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you alive and i'm like oh you actually care sort of yeah uh something that they undid from the previous

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game is that the food doesn't rot anymore i didn't even know the food rotted yes the food does rot in

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the original oh and it will take away food and and water if you leave it to rot for too long oh some

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people like that i i don't know it's fine it's more convenient with survival games there's always a

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question of like how realistic do you want to dial this up really i'll be honest animal crossing when

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i was growing up and was younger was a guilty pleasure of mine i would play it way way too obsessively but

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then like when you stop to think about it you have to go and work you have to sell stuff to make money

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and then you use the money to pay off your mortgage it literally is just a life simulator i think that's

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kind of the point and and it's like so i would get off of work and come home to do more work for fun

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yeah so you don't really want to make it to the point where it's so hyper realistic that nobody could

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actually live in the game or survive in the game now what else is different um they changed the creature

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mechanics a little bit where they'll stop pursuing you after a little bit and go back to their sort of

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coded in territory which is nice because in the original subnautica only a day before i i lured a

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leviathan over to my base and it will not leave so at least now they leave

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they eventually get bored and go home yeah kind of like bullies in in real life before there was social media

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it's like they would they would try to chase you down but like after you escape them they

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they would just go on their way and look for somebody else to pound

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there is also some mention of the original aliens from subnautica but there's a it mostly focuses on a

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different alien species now boom so on a scale of one to five laser printers where would you rate subnautica to

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so far in terms of both uh enjoyability but also completion completeness for a so-called early access

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well for completeness it's just it's like five because it's pretty complete i mean both of them are

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pretty complete but yeah maybe like 4.7 okay it's it's pretty good so it retains a lot of the mechanics

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you like it adds some new things and it takes away some things that are annoying but then the community

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might demand that they get added back in anyway all right now most people like the rotten food being

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gone yeah in the interest of time let's let's move on to deep rock galactic rogue core now i've been

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watching you play this subnautica 2 is officially dead to you at the moment no i'm gonna play some more

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tomorrow tomorrow okay subnautica 2 has largely been on life support until i know i know and from what i've

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seen because i've been watching i've been trying to watch your live streams and if not i've been trying

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to watch the videos after so the vods the best way that i can think of to describe this is

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deep rock galactic meets doom i haven't played doom so i wouldn't know uh well so doom even back in

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the original doom although my personal favorite is still doom 3 it's about this science company that

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or military rather that has an outpost on mars and they've been doing some experiments and they

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accidentally opened up a gateway to hell or rather you know maybe not accidentally they opened a gateway

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to hell and uh combination of people getting infected by the hell spirit uh and or creatures from hell

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are invading and you have to you know destroy them similarly in deep rock galactic rogue core

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the dwarves have drilled too deep and now creatures from from the core of the planet yeah are are coming

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out and they definitely look demonic they're they're not bugs they're not bugs no they they definitely

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just look demonic and and very doom-esque so it and i've noticed the structure of the game is different

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too but what i'll let you get into that beyond that but that's my personal based upon what i've been

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watching him do is that that's my description of the game kit why don't you go ahead and tell people

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a little bit more about deep rock galactic rogue core oh boy so you you play as a group of dwarves called

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the reclaimers who are uh basically the company military yeah i noticed though i noticed that they used a

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lot of snare drums in the soundtrack which gave it a vibe of aliens not the alien the original alien

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aliens which was the james cameron sequel yeah the soundtrack is very good yeah it's very good that's

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why i have it your your goal is to uh reclaim facilities that got uh wiped out by the gray out that

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destroy is most company property so you have to go in with nothing but your pickaxe your gauntlet and

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cooper and ellis ellis is the meal replacement and cooper is the boss go replacement yeah and and ellis uh

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unlike the mule flies flies so very very quick and easy to access um for good reason though yeah

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because because you have a timer going the moment you enter the stage after grabbing a few weapons and

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grenades at the beginning of the level you don't want the timer to run out because then there's infinite

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swarm and uh tentacles that grab you i i didn't know that yeah there's tentacles that grab you

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okay then anyway uh your your goal is to go through the level uh mine up exponite do exponite events uh to

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get upgrades because get the wi-fi working again yeah which tells you where everything on the map is

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upgrade your weapons upgrade yourself using uh bio boosters and uh the exponent which has

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bio transmutable properties something i think like that something like that yeah which is how you can

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improve yourself and those improvements generally only last one level correct like uh they will yeah they

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last through the entire mission mission yes each each mission is split into levels of the facility and

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then at the bottom level you have to fight a boss and there's currently three technically four in the

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code but three actually finished yeah i think i've only seen you go up against one which is like the

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the core guardian or something like that or the gate guardian uh it looks like the go to rack it's got

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like a pumpkin pumpkin head looking yeah thing and then the face opens up

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and you shoot it and then it doesn't actually take physical damage until you take the core stones and

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blow them up yeah yeah you have to destroy the rip stones yeah that one's the go to rack gatekeeper there's also

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the big flying fish one called the ramach and uh the walking rock slash cave leech thing

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oh yeah cave leeches return they're like the one returning enemy aside from

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the corresponding crawler which was also in drg they should have brought back the loot bugs i mean they do

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uh but there's only exponite variants and uh the reclaimers don't care about killing them

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you can still pet them though oh that's good so differences and similarities like so things they

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added things they took away go i mean to be fair they didn't really take away much it was it was built

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off of the groundwork of drg there's no more glyphids uh except for the bulk detonator kind of which

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gets an extra night variant for one of the extra night events but otherwise there's there's no more

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glyphids yeah i mean like there's not really much they removed well that's good uh a lot of it's just

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taken from drg although they haven't added any driller weapons oh there's there's zero driller weapons

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except for the drill and the c4 so how about new stuff uh new stuff there's corespond course yeah uh

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which started with the corespond crawler for the core stone event in drg which was made to uh

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build up to rogue core happening uh but there's also the creeper which looks like its head just

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looks like a brain they're all very ape-like except for one called the edge stalker which is really

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creepy looking it's really tall oh yeah yeah yeah i think i i'm trying to remember i know so i've seen

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the standard ones and then there's the bigger beefier ones is that the uh no the edge stalkers are like

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the ones that walk around the side they have four legs instead of well i guess all of them have four

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legs but they're like really tall on four legs they look kind of like a centaur oh boy and then they

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have the one big white circle that they shoot you with oh boy there's also a few new weapons like

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the mag blaster and the gun that everyone calls the mac and cheese gun i haven't gotten it yet you

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know what there was something that reminded me of the the bfg from doom it's like a boxy looking

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weapon that shoots out missiles oh the hurricane yes yeah that's from original drg i didn't know that

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but like but that's definitely in this in this context it reminds me of the bfg from doom it's

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just a box that just unleash unleashes hellfire upon the enemies yep it's it's it's a beautiful thing

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to behold i will say plus it aims for your cursor unless it has just a pick or overclocking drg but

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otherwise the rockets aim for your cursor it's very nice yeah there's a few new weapons uh the falcon

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well that's not a weapon uh yes the bird uh each reclaimer has their own gauntlet ability

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uh valcana has the bird as i like to call it the bird the bird that flies around shoots stuff and can

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revive teammates you also get as valcana a little stationary thing that forms a little bubble that when

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you shoot enemies when you're within it uh it electrocutes them it's very nice nice nice now there's

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slicer who gets sword and a dash and a projectile shield that will aim wherever you're looking but

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doesn't completely cover you guardian gets a gauntlet that can either be used as a shotgun or as a sort of

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area protection area like area denial where none of the no no melee no enemies will get within melee range

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and you also get uh something that forms a bubble where it restores up to 50 of your armor which is an

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important change uh armor doesn't regenerate and it also doesn't fully block damage like in drg it only

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reduces it by 50 percent yeah i i was wondering about that because i was watching and i could be

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wrong but like when you were using a supply pod which they're not really supply drops they're already

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there you just have to find them but no more nitro you were doing the resupply and i noticed it didn't

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like boost your health at all yeah uh resupplies don't give any health uh you can only get health

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from red sugar which is pretty plentiful for the most part even enemies drop it as you're hitting

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them yeah only only with specific upgrades like snap fire extraction or hemo forge which are really

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good in a sense it's basically just free red sugar it's free health and you can usually it's free money

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but your armor doesn't regenerate and it's also something you have to manage because some abilities

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rely on having armor some rely on not having armor so it's all very different it's all very interesting

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nice anything else um i i feel like to me the gameplay is also a little bit more rapid at least the way that

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you're playing maybe like a more casual i mean you kind of have to play fast because there's the timer oh

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yeah that's right you don't really have a choice so i have run past the timer a couple of times so on a

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scale of one to five rock and stone where would you put both uh the game in general but also the completeness

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of the uh early access i mean it's cheap rock galactic i'm gonna put it at a five anyway

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also there's something very important that they added uh during the elevator which is how you get

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between the floors yep they said they wouldn't do it but you can rock and stone when the loading screen

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is playing and you're in the elevator nice they said they couldn't do it but they did it they pulled it off

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nice so it's been an exciting couple weeks for you yes and uh it's been exciting i will honestly say

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for me to watch you engage with this it's fun to see you really embracing and having fun with it

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and of course then i'm going to start playing eventually and you're going to be like you suck

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what's wrong why don't you do this why don't you do this why don't you do that don't worry i have

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the bird i can revive you without having to revive you the bird the bird um what's wait what's the

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name of the robot that helps you uh not the not the not the remote explanation processing drone no the

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other one omega or cooper cooper cooper cooper's better than bosco yeah his a has been improved so

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uh he actually shoots the rockets automatically instead of you having the right click so that's nice

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so yeah a very very exciting time in gaming not not so exciting time in star wars we didn't mention

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omega at all oh omega's the mission control replacement yeah and he's a robot but omega to me i don't know

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i i'm suspicious of omega i like i didn't realize it wasn't until like a second or third watch of you

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playing where i was like was his avatar always that really looking orange red color and did he always

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sound like creepy because yes this this is just screaming for a betrayal that's gonna happen like

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this definitely doesn't feel like otto from uh wall-e at all i mean yeah he doesn't feel that way at all

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they they look almost identical yeah he doesn't feel that way at all uh he's made out of rival tech

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he's kind of glitchy uh and he's programmed to do whatever's best for the company oh no oh no through

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expendable but you've been having fun yeah you've been having a lot of fun and i'm glad to hear that

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yeah and see that and i look forward to hopefully getting to play one or both of these games hopefully

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at some point oh yeah subnautica 2s multiplayer probably should mention that yes something that

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neither of the other subnautica games had yeah the only way to do it was through a mod that only worked

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for very specific versions yeah we tried to do it and then i was like wait i don't want to install like

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version that's 10 versions old just to be able to do multiplayer that's dumb but this time multiplayer is

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intended yes have you dear listeners gotten to play or experience either of these new early access releases and if so what do you think

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problem with subnautica too you know and what's that if they didn't add any cheese quesadillas you know i was

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going there you you and i you're very very well done sir i was thinking the same thing did either

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game add cheese quesadillas either game for shame well they're in early access add that as a feedback

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then then then they'll have to like you know some kind of weird cheese substitute made from fish

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in subnautica you could somehow process the calcium from the fish or from uh from the the coral to to

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make some kind of weird cheese substitute that would be interesting but so we have discussed the games i

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think we're going to move on to a different topic which means that we'll uh we'll have to do a different

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recording so until next time everybody thanks for listening bye you