1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:17,460 And we're back. Sir, this is a 2 00:00:17,460 --> 00:00:19,360 historic moment. Is it the 3 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,560 Artemis? Is that the historic 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:22,400 moment? 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,480 No, but that did happen and 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:24,550 that was a lot of fun to watch 7 00:00:24,550 --> 00:00:25,790 both the launch and the landing 8 00:00:25,790 --> 00:00:26,100 . 9 00:00:26,820 --> 00:00:28,140 I mean that happened a while 10 00:00:28,140 --> 00:00:29,840 ago. What do you mean? Well, it 11 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:31,050 happened a while ago when 12 00:00:31,050 --> 00:00:32,820 people are listening to this. 13 00:00:32,820 --> 00:00:34,700 People are listening to this? 14 00:00:34,700 --> 00:00:37,490 Aw. After our disaster of the 15 00:00:37,490 --> 00:00:39,700 last episode in which we 16 00:00:39,700 --> 00:00:41,700 started talking about 17 00:00:41,700 --> 00:00:44,620 government, deleted that part 18 00:00:44,620 --> 00:00:47,520 of it, and then started talking 19 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,330 about electrical power, this 20 00:00:50,330 --> 00:00:53,640 show is actually significant. 21 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:55,620 I know that you might not 22 00:00:55,620 --> 00:00:58,010 appreciate this, but this is 23 00:00:58,010 --> 00:01:00,660 Episode 26. It's the same as 24 00:01:00,660 --> 00:01:03,050 the year it's made in. Yeah. So 25 00:01:03,050 --> 00:01:06,520 , Episode 26 in the year 2026. 26 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,330 And way back in the day, my 27 00:01:09,330 --> 00:01:12,340 friends and I had a really, 28 00:01:12,340 --> 00:01:15,840 really bad video project. That 29 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:17,480 was called Star Wars Episode 26 30 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:17,640 . 31 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,060 It all comes full circle. It 32 00:01:20,060 --> 00:01:22,480 all comes full circle. It's 33 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,900 just amazing. But it's also 34 00:01:24,900 --> 00:01:27,520 significant because, first of 35 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,130 all, this episode, if going as 36 00:01:30,130 --> 00:01:32,840 planned, will release on May 2 37 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,840 nd. Our first episode released 38 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,640 on May 4th. 39 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,620 May 4th. Be with you. Of last 40 00:01:40,620 --> 00:01:45,040 year. So, congratulations, sir. 41 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:49,250 26 episodes at, on average, an 42 00:01:49,250 --> 00:01:52,360 episode every other week, 43 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:54,640 equals one year. 44 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,930 Yippee. Yippee. Yippee. And 45 00:01:59,930 --> 00:02:01,870 whenever you hit a major 46 00:02:01,870 --> 00:02:04,490 milestone, you want to take the 47 00:02:04,490 --> 00:02:06,530 time to reflect upon that 48 00:02:06,530 --> 00:02:09,150 milestone, how you got there, 49 00:02:09,150 --> 00:02:11,470 and where you're planning on 50 00:02:11,470 --> 00:02:14,130 going with it in the future. 51 00:02:14,130 --> 00:02:17,320 Talking. What? Talking. Talking 52 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,520 . Talking. And talking. 53 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:22,030 And more talking. And more 54 00:02:22,030 --> 00:02:24,240 talking because this is a 55 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,070 podcast. Do you remember what 56 00:02:27,070 --> 00:02:29,470 the first attempt to do this 57 00:02:29,470 --> 00:02:32,610 was like? Maybe. Or actually, 58 00:02:32,610 --> 00:02:35,410 let's go before that. Let's go 59 00:02:35,410 --> 00:02:38,050 back before, before this was 60 00:02:38,050 --> 00:02:41,080 actually a thing. What prompted 61 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,710 the idea of doing this? What 62 00:02:43,710 --> 00:02:46,700 you want to talk about? Exactly 63 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:47,240 . 64 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,840 Why don't you explain that a 65 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,230 little bit to the literal 66 00:02:52,230 --> 00:02:55,280 dozens of listeners we have. 67 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:59,620 What about it? So, what do you 68 00:02:59,620 --> 00:03:01,050 mean by what you want to talk 69 00:03:01,050 --> 00:03:02,490 about? Why does that have 70 00:03:02,490 --> 00:03:03,220 meaning? 71 00:03:03,220 --> 00:03:05,190 Because that's just what I ask 72 00:03:05,190 --> 00:03:06,540 you every time we went on a 73 00:03:06,540 --> 00:03:07,140 walk. 74 00:03:07,140 --> 00:03:09,450 So, Kit is a very interesting 75 00:03:09,450 --> 00:03:11,650 being in that he does not just 76 00:03:11,650 --> 00:03:13,740 like walking in silence and 77 00:03:13,740 --> 00:03:16,280 appreciating the nature or the- 78 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,680 Well, there's not much nature 79 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:20,040 around here. 80 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,080 The vehicles around him. Kit 81 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:26,190 needs to fill every second with 82 00:03:26,190 --> 00:03:27,970 some kind of entertaining 83 00:03:27,970 --> 00:03:29,580 content to himself. 84 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,770 Now you make me sound like an 85 00:03:31,770 --> 00:03:33,700 iPad, Kit. How dare you? 86 00:03:33,700 --> 00:03:36,220 Okay, Kit is not an iPad, Kit. 87 00:03:36,220 --> 00:03:38,700 We took steps to prevent that. 88 00:03:38,700 --> 00:03:41,010 But, um, no, we would go on 89 00:03:41,010 --> 00:03:41,820 walks. 90 00:03:41,820 --> 00:03:43,990 And inevitably, we told this 91 00:03:43,990 --> 00:03:45,660 story at some point. 92 00:03:45,660 --> 00:03:46,420 I think it was like episode 93 00:03:46,420 --> 00:03:47,100 four or something. 94 00:03:47,100 --> 00:03:48,600 But we might as well revisit it 95 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:49,900 because it's a year in. 96 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,780 But we would end up having some 97 00:03:51,780 --> 00:03:52,580 really interesting 98 00:03:52,580 --> 00:03:53,420 conversations. 99 00:03:53,420 --> 00:03:54,710 And sometimes we still have 100 00:03:54,710 --> 00:03:56,210 interesting conversations that 101 00:03:56,210 --> 00:03:57,620 we don't capture on the podcast 102 00:03:57,620 --> 00:03:57,860 . 103 00:03:57,860 --> 00:03:59,830 Because sometimes we record 104 00:03:59,830 --> 00:04:01,520 more than one episode at the 105 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:02,440 same time. 106 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,760 Which is just a production 107 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:05,640 trick. 108 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,650 We could be recording all of 109 00:04:07,650 --> 00:04:08,420 these. 110 00:04:08,420 --> 00:04:10,000 Maybe we recorded all of these 111 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:10,740 last year. 112 00:04:10,740 --> 00:04:12,580 You'll never know. 113 00:04:12,980 --> 00:04:16,570 But I think some of the initial 114 00:04:16,570 --> 00:04:20,290 conversations were around- The 115 00:04:20,290 --> 00:04:21,800 thing that I think really 116 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,440 prompted it was- We were 117 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,860 talking about the video game 118 00:04:25,860 --> 00:04:27,380 world of Mario. 119 00:04:27,380 --> 00:04:30,950 And how it's quite possibly the 120 00:04:30,950 --> 00:04:34,080 worst run kingdom ever. 121 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:35,760 If you actually stop to think 122 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:36,480 about it. 123 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,120 And how repetitive it is. 124 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,920 How, like, stupid people are. 125 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,130 And that was a fun conversation 126 00:04:43,130 --> 00:04:43,330 . 127 00:04:43,330 --> 00:04:44,250 We were like, oh, well, you 128 00:04:44,250 --> 00:04:44,580 know. 129 00:04:44,580 --> 00:04:46,630 How dumb is the Mushroom King 130 00:04:46,630 --> 00:04:49,020 and the Princess and whatnot. 131 00:04:49,020 --> 00:04:50,680 If they're constantly getting 132 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,520 invaded by Bowser and his kids. 133 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:54,760 Like, how dumb are you? 134 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,370 You'd think you would make a 135 00:04:56,370 --> 00:04:57,180 military. 136 00:04:57,180 --> 00:04:58,940 So we went on and on and on. 137 00:04:58,940 --> 00:05:02,100 And I said, you know what? 138 00:05:02,100 --> 00:05:03,080 We should sit down and record 139 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:03,390 that. 140 00:05:03,390 --> 00:05:04,580 That was a fun conversation. 141 00:05:04,580 --> 00:05:07,760 So we sat down and recorded it. 142 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:09,040 And the result- 143 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:09,440 Bad. 144 00:05:10,860 --> 00:05:12,580 And why was it bad? 145 00:05:12,580 --> 00:05:14,740 Because it wasn't natural. 146 00:05:14,740 --> 00:05:17,140 Yeah, it wasn't natural. 147 00:05:17,140 --> 00:05:19,910 It was us sitting down in front 148 00:05:19,910 --> 00:05:22,690 of two microphones, which is 149 00:05:22,690 --> 00:05:25,770 what, like, podcasters do. 150 00:05:26,820 --> 00:05:30,660 But it was more of a static. 151 00:05:30,660 --> 00:05:32,690 And I remember Kit sat in front 152 00:05:32,690 --> 00:05:34,220 of the microphone. 153 00:05:34,220 --> 00:05:36,540 And his overall affect or his 154 00:05:36,540 --> 00:05:39,060 overall attitude was, this is 155 00:05:39,060 --> 00:05:39,920 weird. 156 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,420 Like, I'm just sitting in front 157 00:05:42,420 --> 00:05:43,980 of a microphone. 158 00:05:43,980 --> 00:05:45,280 He'd also have a hard time, 159 00:05:45,280 --> 00:05:46,510 like, actually being on top of 160 00:05:46,510 --> 00:05:47,690 the microphone so you could 161 00:05:47,690 --> 00:05:48,300 hear him. 162 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,220 And we decided universally, 163 00:05:51,220 --> 00:05:53,730 after we recorded twice, this 164 00:05:53,730 --> 00:05:55,260 ain't working. 165 00:05:55,260 --> 00:05:57,620 The first time didn't work 166 00:05:57,620 --> 00:06:00,070 because we were rehashing a 167 00:06:00,070 --> 00:06:02,840 story that we already told. 168 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:04,340 Like, we had already had the 169 00:06:04,340 --> 00:06:05,970 fun conversation while we were 170 00:06:05,970 --> 00:06:06,660 walking. 171 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,310 And now we're sitting in front 172 00:06:09,310 --> 00:06:10,900 of microphones trying to re- 173 00:06:10,900 --> 00:06:12,500 have that moment of fun and 174 00:06:12,500 --> 00:06:13,180 humor. 175 00:06:13,180 --> 00:06:15,600 And we're not actors. 176 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,240 So it just felt like we were 177 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,880 redoing something that we 178 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,760 already did, which was a lot 179 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,040 less fun. 180 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:27,420 And the second conversation you 181 00:06:27,420 --> 00:06:29,750 actually heard part of as part 182 00:06:29,750 --> 00:06:32,060 of our Christmas break, which 183 00:06:32,060 --> 00:06:34,100 was the Jedi getting cut in 184 00:06:34,100 --> 00:06:36,180 half with a lightsaber. 185 00:06:36,180 --> 00:06:38,160 And the Palpatine Insurance 186 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:38,880 Agency. 187 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:40,850 Yep, Palpatine Insurance Agency 188 00:06:40,850 --> 00:06:40,980 . 189 00:06:40,980 --> 00:06:42,700 So that ended up being 190 00:06:42,700 --> 00:06:45,180 something that was good enough 191 00:06:45,180 --> 00:06:47,280 that we could release it as 192 00:06:47,280 --> 00:06:49,580 bonus content, really. 193 00:06:49,580 --> 00:06:52,740 But it still was awkward. 194 00:06:52,740 --> 00:06:54,720 And there are advantages of 195 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,870 recording in a more controlled 196 00:06:56,870 --> 00:06:58,120 environment. 197 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,290 For example, you don't have the 198 00:07:00,290 --> 00:07:02,040 noise of cars and wind. 199 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,530 And you don't hear me breathing 200 00:07:04,530 --> 00:07:06,610 and you don't hear other noises 201 00:07:06,610 --> 00:07:06,920 . 202 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,040 But it's just not the same. 203 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,560 Fast forward a year later. 204 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,270 There was a sale on these 205 00:07:14,270 --> 00:07:17,320 wireless microphones. 206 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,000 And the nice thing about 207 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,950 wireless microphones that 208 00:07:20,950 --> 00:07:23,060 connect directly to a phone is 209 00:07:23,060 --> 00:07:25,090 that you can clip them to your 210 00:07:25,090 --> 00:07:27,020 shirt or use the magnets and 211 00:07:27,020 --> 00:07:28,660 just walk and talk. 212 00:07:28,660 --> 00:07:30,940 And so that changed the whole 213 00:07:30,940 --> 00:07:31,640 game. 214 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:33,620 We could go on walks. 215 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:34,940 I could hit record. 216 00:07:34,940 --> 00:07:37,440 And whatever happens, happens. 217 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,470 And for the most part, it kind 218 00:07:40,470 --> 00:07:41,860 of worked. 219 00:07:41,860 --> 00:07:43,150 But I think the biggest 220 00:07:43,150 --> 00:07:44,690 struggle was coming up with a 221 00:07:44,690 --> 00:07:45,200 name. 222 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,700 Do you remember how that, how 223 00:07:47,700 --> 00:07:49,640 difficult that was? 224 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:50,640 Not entirely. 225 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:52,840 We were trying to come up with 226 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:53,620 names. 227 00:07:53,620 --> 00:07:55,340 And this was back in 2025. 228 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:58,330 And AI was like four or five 229 00:07:58,330 --> 00:08:00,350 generations behind where it is 230 00:08:00,350 --> 00:08:01,740 now, obviously. 231 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,050 And just for ha-has, I decided 232 00:08:04,050 --> 00:08:06,140 to say what the show was going 233 00:08:06,140 --> 00:08:08,220 to be about and see if it could 234 00:08:08,220 --> 00:08:10,720 come up with any great names. 235 00:08:11,780 --> 00:08:14,120 And shocker, what was the 236 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,120 result? 237 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:16,140 Bad. 238 00:08:16,140 --> 00:08:18,260 It sucked. 239 00:08:18,260 --> 00:08:19,780 It sucked. 240 00:08:19,780 --> 00:08:20,740 It sucked. 241 00:08:20,740 --> 00:08:21,400 It sucked. 242 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:22,000 It sucked. 243 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:24,950 We couldn't really come up with 244 00:08:24,950 --> 00:08:27,220 a good name for what it is that 245 00:08:27,220 --> 00:08:29,680 we're doing because we're just 246 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,680 walking and talking. 247 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:33,290 Don't get me wrong. 248 00:08:33,290 --> 00:08:34,820 We got in a groove, which we'll 249 00:08:34,820 --> 00:08:35,940 talk about in a bit. 250 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:37,860 And we may go back to, I don't 251 00:08:37,860 --> 00:08:38,480 know yet. 252 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,720 But nothing was catching. 253 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:43,080 Nothing felt right. 254 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,880 And I remember we were in my 255 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,220 bedroom. 256 00:08:47,220 --> 00:08:48,540 We were trying to come up with 257 00:08:48,540 --> 00:08:49,040 a name. 258 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,710 And at one point, Kit goes like 259 00:08:51,710 --> 00:08:54,240 , how about non-topical? 260 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:55,260 And I'm like, well, good. 261 00:08:55,260 --> 00:08:56,860 That sounds like nonsensical. 262 00:08:56,860 --> 00:08:58,600 It encompasses the fact that we 263 00:08:58,600 --> 00:08:59,890 're not discussing any 264 00:08:59,890 --> 00:09:01,670 particular topic usually. 265 00:09:01,670 --> 00:09:04,600 So Kit gets full credit for the 266 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:05,440 name. 267 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:07,620 Eh, eh, eh. 268 00:09:07,620 --> 00:09:09,380 Now, there was one problem, and 269 00:09:09,380 --> 00:09:10,890 hopefully it will never come 270 00:09:10,890 --> 00:09:12,290 and bite us in the rear. 271 00:09:12,290 --> 00:09:15,160 There was a comedy podcast 272 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,280 prior to us that used the name 273 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,160 non-topical. 274 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,300 However, that comedy podcast 275 00:09:22,300 --> 00:09:24,400 had not released any episodes 276 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:25,720 in a year or two. 277 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,030 So from trademark or copyright, 278 00:09:28,030 --> 00:09:30,420 technically they could, if they 279 00:09:30,420 --> 00:09:31,910 wanted to, apply for a 280 00:09:31,910 --> 00:09:34,050 trademark and then we'd have to 281 00:09:34,050 --> 00:09:35,580 change the name. 282 00:09:35,580 --> 00:09:36,200 Yeah. 283 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:37,480 Because they used it first. 284 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,460 But nobody had used the name in 285 00:09:39,460 --> 00:09:40,720 quite some time. 286 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,850 And I figured we're a small 287 00:09:42,850 --> 00:09:45,590 enough podcast, it probably won 288 00:09:45,590 --> 00:09:48,050 't ever make a difference. 289 00:09:48,050 --> 00:09:50,250 And then just recently, I got 290 00:09:50,250 --> 00:09:51,200 an email. 291 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:52,620 What? 292 00:09:52,620 --> 00:09:54,940 We're being sued for $50,000. 293 00:09:54,940 --> 00:09:56,260 We are? 294 00:09:56,260 --> 00:09:57,240 No. 295 00:09:57,240 --> 00:09:58,200 Oh. 296 00:09:58,400 --> 00:09:59,320 I just made that up. 297 00:09:59,320 --> 00:09:59,380 I just made that up. 298 00:09:59,380 --> 00:10:01,100 So that's the only risk that 299 00:10:01,100 --> 00:10:02,500 came with the name. 300 00:10:02,500 --> 00:10:03,580 But that show did not seem to 301 00:10:03,580 --> 00:10:04,660 be all that successful. 302 00:10:04,660 --> 00:10:06,640 So that's probably why they 303 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:07,940 stopped doing it. 304 00:10:07,940 --> 00:10:08,340 Huh. 305 00:10:08,340 --> 00:10:10,070 Now, our show is not that 306 00:10:10,070 --> 00:10:11,720 successful either. 307 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,040 But I'd like to think we still 308 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:16,550 have fun doing it. 309 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:18,820 Like there's sometimes it feels 310 00:10:18,820 --> 00:10:19,700 like an obligation. 311 00:10:19,700 --> 00:10:21,670 Like, oh, we got to record and 312 00:10:21,670 --> 00:10:23,410 I got to edit it and you got to 313 00:10:23,410 --> 00:10:24,550 make an image. 314 00:10:24,550 --> 00:10:27,080 Sometimes it feels obligational 315 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:27,360 . 316 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:28,990 But a lot of times we really 317 00:10:28,990 --> 00:10:31,120 had some great conversations. 318 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,860 And I think that's what we want 319 00:10:32,860 --> 00:10:34,670 to try to keep to cultivate. 320 00:10:34,670 --> 00:10:37,130 So as we've mentioned in the 321 00:10:37,130 --> 00:10:39,440 past, Kit B, 17. 322 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,700 Going on 18. 323 00:10:41,700 --> 00:10:44,590 Marching ever forward towards 324 00:10:44,590 --> 00:10:47,360 the inevitable cutting of the 325 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,440 umbilicus between his parental 326 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:51,670 units and himself. 327 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,340 And I would say that, like, 328 00:10:55,340 --> 00:10:57,640 stereotypically speaking, it's 329 00:10:57,640 --> 00:10:59,250 a very difficult time in 330 00:10:59,250 --> 00:11:01,370 relationships between adults 331 00:11:01,370 --> 00:11:03,060 and their children. 332 00:11:03,060 --> 00:11:05,060 Because they're not children. 333 00:11:05,060 --> 00:11:06,360 I mean, they're still always 334 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:07,160 your children. 335 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,970 But Kit is not yet a grown 336 00:11:09,970 --> 00:11:13,070 person who is taking on the 337 00:11:13,070 --> 00:11:16,320 cost of his own dwelling and 338 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:17,600 stuff. 339 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,280 But he's not like a two-year- 340 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:20,890 old or a five-year-old or an 341 00:11:20,890 --> 00:11:22,710 eight-year-old who can barely 342 00:11:22,710 --> 00:11:24,740 rub two brain cells together. 343 00:11:24,740 --> 00:11:25,480 Woolly bear. 344 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,200 Yay, woolly bear. 345 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,890 And because of that, it's a 346 00:11:29,890 --> 00:11:32,320 transitional phase. 347 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,080 And I'd like to say that 348 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,590 overall, and Kit, feel free to 349 00:11:36,590 --> 00:11:38,560 jump in and chime in at any 350 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:39,340 time. 351 00:11:39,340 --> 00:11:41,310 But despite some major changes 352 00:11:41,310 --> 00:11:42,840 that have happened in both of 353 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,660 our lives over the past several 354 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:45,220 years, 355 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:47,350 we've navigated that pretty 356 00:11:47,350 --> 00:11:47,760 well. 357 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,880 This podcast has been part of 358 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:51,800 that. 359 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,410 And I think that no matter what 360 00:11:54,410 --> 00:11:57,020 happens in life, as long as it 361 00:11:57,020 --> 00:11:58,320 's feasible, 362 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:01,120 I want to keep doing this with 363 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:01,860 you. 364 00:12:01,860 --> 00:12:04,070 Because it's not just about the 365 00:12:04,070 --> 00:12:05,930 work that we put in and then 366 00:12:05,930 --> 00:12:07,790 the editing and all of that 367 00:12:07,790 --> 00:12:08,520 junk. 368 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,650 It's about us spending the time 369 00:12:11,650 --> 00:12:13,020 together. 370 00:12:13,020 --> 00:12:14,180 And we do that in other ways, 371 00:12:14,180 --> 00:12:14,520 too. 372 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,610 Like, we've started making 373 00:12:16,610 --> 00:12:18,390 Sunday mornings like Deep Rock 374 00:12:18,390 --> 00:12:19,800 Galactic morning. 375 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,760 Deep Rock Galactic. 376 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,400 And even though I don't play 377 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:25,050 Minecraft that much, as we 378 00:12:25,050 --> 00:12:26,780 demonstrated a few episodes 379 00:12:26,780 --> 00:12:27,320 back, 380 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:28,960 we still keep an eye on 381 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,400 Minecraft and talk about it. 382 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:34,040 I value that. 383 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,110 You know, like, I really value 384 00:12:36,110 --> 00:12:36,480 that. 385 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,080 Now, Kit, I know it's hard for 386 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,580 you to open up, but what would 387 00:12:41,580 --> 00:12:43,450 you say, and I know your memory 388 00:12:43,450 --> 00:12:44,640 doesn't go that far back, 389 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:45,940 you have like this random 390 00:12:45,940 --> 00:12:47,280 access memory in your brain 391 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:48,900 that basically lasts about five 392 00:12:48,900 --> 00:12:49,580 seconds. 393 00:12:49,580 --> 00:12:50,440 Yeah. 394 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,730 But over the past year of doing 395 00:12:53,730 --> 00:12:57,030 this, what would you say that 396 00:12:57,030 --> 00:13:00,040 you've taken away from it or 397 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,360 enjoyed the most about it? 398 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,300 Cheese case meals. 399 00:13:07,020 --> 00:13:08,120 Of course he's going to say 400 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:08,780 cheese case. 401 00:13:08,780 --> 00:13:10,600 No, more seriously, though. 402 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,060 Like, what has the experience 403 00:13:13,060 --> 00:13:15,320 been for you in terms of, you 404 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,040 know, we're divided by, I think 405 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,200 , almost 20 years. 406 00:13:21,180 --> 00:13:23,260 What have you enjoyed and what 407 00:13:23,260 --> 00:13:25,330 have you also like kind of been 408 00:13:25,330 --> 00:13:27,540 like, eh, it's not great. 409 00:13:27,540 --> 00:13:28,520 Cheese case. 410 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:33,960 This is something you need to 411 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,040 work on. 412 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:37,480 You have to learn to find your 413 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:38,300 voice, sir. 414 00:13:38,300 --> 00:13:40,140 Hold on. 415 00:13:40,140 --> 00:13:41,440 Let me try to cut out my vocal 416 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,500 cords real quick. 417 00:13:42,500 --> 00:13:43,600 Then I'll give you my voice. 418 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,580 Always a kidder and always 419 00:13:45,580 --> 00:13:47,920 deflecting the questions that 420 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:49,200 have meaning. 421 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,720 I don't remember much. 422 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,800 So you can't remember any of 423 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,050 the fun story ideas that we've 424 00:13:56,050 --> 00:13:58,310 come up with when we were doing 425 00:13:58,310 --> 00:14:00,320 just story type stuff? 426 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:01,780 I remember that we did a 427 00:14:01,780 --> 00:14:02,940 Guardian one. 428 00:14:02,940 --> 00:14:06,300 Yep. 429 00:14:06,300 --> 00:14:07,970 And this is something that 430 00:14:07,970 --> 00:14:09,710 actually I hope the podcast 431 00:14:09,710 --> 00:14:11,680 will help with eventually is to 432 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:13,560 give you a platform to start to 433 00:14:13,560 --> 00:14:14,900 find your voice. 434 00:14:14,900 --> 00:14:16,200 And I know that you're joking 435 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:17,470 saying, oh, let me cut out my 436 00:14:17,470 --> 00:14:18,300 vocal cords. 437 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,370 But this is something that I 438 00:14:20,370 --> 00:14:22,440 know, like, I struggled with 439 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,060 when I was younger. 440 00:14:24,060 --> 00:14:26,220 And it's not so much that I don 441 00:14:26,220 --> 00:14:27,040 't talk. 442 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,260 We know I can talk. 443 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,780 But there's that fear of, I don 444 00:14:32,780 --> 00:14:35,310 't want to upset anybody with 445 00:14:35,310 --> 00:14:36,580 what I say. 446 00:14:36,580 --> 00:14:38,610 Or I don't want to take the 447 00:14:38,610 --> 00:14:40,760 time to think deeply about 448 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:43,020 things because I might find 449 00:14:43,020 --> 00:14:45,640 emotions that I don't like. 450 00:14:46,780 --> 00:14:48,360 And I know that that's all 451 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,340 subconscious, but that's why 452 00:14:50,340 --> 00:14:52,090 you'll hear me talking more 453 00:14:52,090 --> 00:14:53,660 sometimes than Kit. 454 00:14:53,660 --> 00:14:56,820 Because Kit tends to be very, 455 00:14:56,820 --> 00:14:58,850 very precise in his 456 00:14:58,850 --> 00:15:00,940 communication. 457 00:15:00,940 --> 00:15:02,910 He wants to keep it as little 458 00:15:02,910 --> 00:15:04,430 as possible while still 459 00:15:04,430 --> 00:15:05,700 contributing. 460 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:07,840 Efficiency. 461 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:08,180 Efficiency. 462 00:15:08,180 --> 00:15:09,360 Efficiency. 463 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,050 I'll ask a more important 464 00:15:11,050 --> 00:15:11,960 question. 465 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:15,620 Does that mean that you don't 466 00:15:15,620 --> 00:15:19,610 derive any positive from doing 467 00:15:19,610 --> 00:15:20,760 this? 468 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,840 It makes you talk about stuff. 469 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,330 So I don't have to ask what you 470 00:15:25,330 --> 00:15:26,560 want to talk about. 471 00:15:28,220 --> 00:15:29,970 But I'm saying, like, if you 472 00:15:29,970 --> 00:15:31,530 had the choice to do this or 473 00:15:31,530 --> 00:15:33,260 not do this, would you still 474 00:15:33,260 --> 00:15:34,650 choose, after a year of 475 00:15:34,650 --> 00:15:36,650 creating these episodes, would 476 00:15:36,650 --> 00:15:38,360 you still choose to continue 477 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:39,240 doing it? 478 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:40,860 I guess so. 479 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:43,710 In doing that and making that 480 00:15:43,710 --> 00:15:45,260 choice, are you making that 481 00:15:45,260 --> 00:15:46,870 choice because you feel like 482 00:15:46,870 --> 00:15:48,520 that's what I want you to do? 483 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,590 Or is it because you actually 484 00:15:50,590 --> 00:15:52,360 want to keep doing it? 485 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,320 I don't know. 486 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,480 How about we talk a little bit 487 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,160 about technology? 488 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,220 Oh, no. 489 00:15:59,220 --> 00:16:00,760 Oh, no, not technology. 490 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,360 So, as we said in the past, the 491 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,470 idea started with a full 492 00:16:05,470 --> 00:16:07,860 podcast setup, a mixer, and 493 00:16:07,860 --> 00:16:10,760 other, like, equipment, and we 494 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,260 discovered very quickly that 495 00:16:13,260 --> 00:16:15,120 didn't work for us. 496 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:18,630 So the next evolution was I got 497 00:16:18,630 --> 00:16:22,140 these wireless mics, and the 498 00:16:22,140 --> 00:16:26,180 wireless mics, they're okay. 499 00:16:26,460 --> 00:16:28,160 And the reason I say they're 500 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,040 okay is because there are some 501 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,760 problems with it that we're 502 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,620 still trying to work out. 503 00:16:33,620 --> 00:16:36,210 But the first setup, the 504 00:16:36,210 --> 00:16:39,400 initial setup that we had, the 505 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,530 dongle that connects into the 506 00:16:42,530 --> 00:16:45,550 base of your phone, would not 507 00:16:45,550 --> 00:16:48,250 fit into my phone without a 508 00:16:48,250 --> 00:16:49,260 wire. 509 00:16:49,260 --> 00:16:52,680 My phone case was too thick. 510 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:56,120 And that created a problem. 511 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:58,100 Which you may or may not have 512 00:16:58,100 --> 00:16:59,910 experienced in previous 513 00:16:59,910 --> 00:17:00,920 episodes. 514 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,930 And that problem was, is that, 515 00:17:02,930 --> 00:17:04,640 first of all, sometimes it 516 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,570 would partially pull out of the 517 00:17:06,570 --> 00:17:08,520 phone while we're walking. 518 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,660 So then the microphones were 519 00:17:11,660 --> 00:17:13,540 cut in and out. 520 00:17:13,540 --> 00:17:16,450 We also had an episode where it 521 00:17:16,450 --> 00:17:19,380 completely disconnected the 522 00:17:19,380 --> 00:17:21,800 mics for a good chunk. 523 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:22,920 Like, that was the Subnautica 524 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:23,420 episode. 525 00:17:23,420 --> 00:17:25,420 Where we came up with a Subnaut 526 00:17:25,420 --> 00:17:26,320 ica story. 527 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,640 And that episode took literal 528 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:34,580 hours of trying to buy tools 529 00:17:34,580 --> 00:17:37,420 and stuff to fix. 530 00:17:38,420 --> 00:17:40,030 So, the good news about that is 531 00:17:40,030 --> 00:17:41,530 , I've acquired a variety of 532 00:17:41,530 --> 00:17:43,220 different plug-ins and stuff to 533 00:17:43,220 --> 00:17:45,140 help to make this sound better. 534 00:17:45,140 --> 00:17:48,040 But, we also had to find a way 535 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,830 to reduce the likelihood of 536 00:17:50,830 --> 00:17:53,880 having that situation happen 537 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:54,940 again. 538 00:17:54,940 --> 00:17:57,250 So, what I did was, I did a 539 00:17:57,250 --> 00:18:00,140 factory reset on an old phone. 540 00:18:00,140 --> 00:18:02,110 Took the case off that old 541 00:18:02,110 --> 00:18:02,940 phone. 542 00:18:03,900 --> 00:18:05,860 And so now we record on a phone 543 00:18:05,860 --> 00:18:07,340 that's like three or four 544 00:18:07,340 --> 00:18:08,760 generations old. 545 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,500 Recently, we made another 546 00:18:10,500 --> 00:18:11,980 adjustment as well. 547 00:18:11,980 --> 00:18:14,500 In the past, we were recording 548 00:18:14,500 --> 00:18:16,820 one single stereo track. 549 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,750 And now, we record a stereo 550 00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:22,070 track, but Kit's voice is in 551 00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:24,300 the left side and my voice is 552 00:18:24,300 --> 00:18:26,140 on the right side. 553 00:18:26,140 --> 00:18:26,850 Or vice versa. 554 00:18:26,850 --> 00:18:28,960 And I split those into two mono 555 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:30,310 tracks so that I can 556 00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:32,700 individually level each one. 557 00:18:32,700 --> 00:18:35,020 And all of that's great. 558 00:18:35,020 --> 00:18:36,360 Except for the fact that 559 00:18:36,360 --> 00:18:38,150 sometimes the wireless signal 560 00:18:38,150 --> 00:18:39,500 between the mics and the 561 00:18:39,500 --> 00:18:41,330 receiver can still cut out. 562 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,090 Despite the fact that we're 563 00:18:43,090 --> 00:18:44,440 only like two feet away from it 564 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:44,660 . 565 00:18:44,660 --> 00:18:47,600 And so, eventually, I'd like to 566 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,830 get to a point where we can 567 00:18:49,830 --> 00:18:52,260 invest on some new mics that 568 00:18:52,260 --> 00:18:55,270 actually will record wirelessly 569 00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:55,680 . 570 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:57,250 But will also record natively 571 00:18:57,250 --> 00:18:58,720 on the mics themselves. 572 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,700 And that's a little bit more 573 00:19:00,700 --> 00:19:01,380 money. 574 00:19:01,380 --> 00:19:03,690 And I just don't have it at the 575 00:19:03,690 --> 00:19:04,610 moment. 576 00:19:04,610 --> 00:19:05,920 But eventually, we hope to get 577 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:06,240 there. 578 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,410 I'm also constantly looking for 579 00:19:08,410 --> 00:19:10,090 workflow tools to make it 580 00:19:10,090 --> 00:19:11,350 easier to edit. 581 00:19:12,140 --> 00:19:14,100 Because, especially now that I 582 00:19:14,100 --> 00:19:16,030 'm editing on two separate 583 00:19:16,030 --> 00:19:18,730 tracks, there's more work that 584 00:19:18,730 --> 00:19:20,180 has to be done. 585 00:19:20,180 --> 00:19:21,170 Like, each one has to be level 586 00:19:21,170 --> 00:19:21,780 ed separately. 587 00:19:21,780 --> 00:19:23,460 And then I have to go in and 588 00:19:23,460 --> 00:19:25,300 remove audio from his track 589 00:19:25,300 --> 00:19:26,740 when I'm talking. 590 00:19:26,740 --> 00:19:28,110 So that I don't get an echo of 591 00:19:28,110 --> 00:19:29,700 my own voice and vice versa. 592 00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:31,330 But that's all in the name of 593 00:19:31,330 --> 00:19:33,480 making the show sound betterer. 594 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,700 For the 12 people that listen. 595 00:19:36,700 --> 00:19:37,940 Yeah. 596 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,220 So, psychologically, that's 597 00:19:41,220 --> 00:19:42,140 primarily what we do. 598 00:19:42,140 --> 00:19:43,240 I normally edit in an 599 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,000 application called Audacity, 600 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:45,980 which is free. 601 00:19:45,980 --> 00:19:48,990 I use their OpenVINO plugins 602 00:19:48,990 --> 00:19:51,820 for noise suppression. 603 00:19:51,820 --> 00:19:53,420 Which is what we use to get rid 604 00:19:53,420 --> 00:19:55,020 of some of the car audio in the 605 00:19:55,020 --> 00:19:56,060 background. 606 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,630 And then I use a paid plugin 607 00:19:59,630 --> 00:20:02,720 called DX Revive to give it a 608 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,080 little bit more of that studio 609 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,320 sound. 610 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,340 So that even though we're 611 00:20:09,340 --> 00:20:11,860 walking outside, we can still 612 00:20:11,860 --> 00:20:13,800 have a little bit of that 613 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,240 outdoor noise while sounding 614 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,940 clear and crisp. 615 00:20:18,700 --> 00:20:20,440 And that's really what the goal 616 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:20,850 is. 617 00:20:20,850 --> 00:20:22,830 But if I could find a way to do 618 00:20:22,830 --> 00:20:24,640 it in a single go to make it a 619 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,890 little bit more effective, I'd 620 00:20:26,890 --> 00:20:28,260 like to do that. 621 00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:32,290 So the mics that we're using 622 00:20:32,290 --> 00:20:35,160 are Rode Wireless Micros. 623 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:36,500 Those are the mics we're 624 00:20:36,500 --> 00:20:37,680 currently using. 625 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,650 Eventually, we'd like to go 626 00:20:39,650 --> 00:20:41,230 with the DJI Wireless 3 or 627 00:20:41,230 --> 00:20:42,830 something like that. 628 00:20:43,330 --> 00:20:44,790 Which are the ones that can 629 00:20:44,790 --> 00:20:46,570 record in like 32-bit float 630 00:20:46,570 --> 00:20:47,820 point right on the mics 631 00:20:47,820 --> 00:20:48,760 themselves. 632 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:50,310 Which give us a much cleaner 633 00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:51,240 audio track. 634 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:52,710 But those cost additional money 635 00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:52,900 . 636 00:20:52,900 --> 00:20:54,860 And obviously, if I were to 637 00:20:54,860 --> 00:20:56,420 find better audio editing 638 00:20:56,420 --> 00:20:58,690 solutions, those would actually 639 00:20:58,690 --> 00:21:00,880 require investment as well. 640 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,170 And that's not to say that I 641 00:21:02,170 --> 00:21:03,610 won't eventually pay for it. 642 00:21:03,610 --> 00:21:04,930 It's just giving you a sense of 643 00:21:04,930 --> 00:21:06,360 the technology that we're using 644 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:06,590 . 645 00:21:07,350 --> 00:21:10,420 So let's talk a little bit 646 00:21:10,420 --> 00:21:12,660 about content. 647 00:21:12,660 --> 00:21:13,800 Content. 648 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,580 When we started the show, what 649 00:21:16,580 --> 00:21:19,400 would you classify our content 650 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,000 primarily as? 651 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,460 Random stuff. 652 00:21:23,460 --> 00:21:24,380 Random stuff. 653 00:21:24,380 --> 00:21:26,060 But what would you say we kind 654 00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:27,610 of got in a groove with? 655 00:21:27,610 --> 00:21:29,260 Movies. 656 00:21:29,260 --> 00:21:30,770 Yeah, coming up with movie 657 00:21:30,770 --> 00:21:32,610 ideas, TV shows ideas, etc. 658 00:21:32,740 --> 00:21:34,450 And actually, I still think 659 00:21:34,450 --> 00:21:36,000 that that's where the show 660 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:36,700 shines. 661 00:21:36,700 --> 00:21:39,470 Because it's entertaining for 662 00:21:39,470 --> 00:21:41,480 both of us to go through 663 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,460 creating fun stories, coming up 664 00:21:44,460 --> 00:21:45,820 with ideas. 665 00:21:45,820 --> 00:21:47,560 And of course, coming up with a 666 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,310 Hollywood deal that they can't 667 00:21:49,310 --> 00:21:51,000 use their shady accounting to 668 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:51,880 get out of. 669 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,500 I don't think that we've spoken 670 00:21:54,500 --> 00:21:57,030 much about like super serious 671 00:21:57,030 --> 00:21:58,000 topics. 672 00:21:58,580 --> 00:22:00,080 And when we have, it's always 673 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,700 been in a fictional light, like 674 00:22:01,700 --> 00:22:03,290 creating a fictional perfect 675 00:22:03,290 --> 00:22:03,840 country. 676 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:04,460 Yeah. 677 00:22:04,460 --> 00:22:05,920 And stuff like that. 678 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:07,600 I still think it would be good. 679 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,840 But then Kit pointed out that 680 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,310 we're kind of stuck in a groove 681 00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:13,860 of doing fiction. 682 00:22:13,860 --> 00:22:17,020 So we've been experimenting 683 00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:20,060 with doing more randomized 684 00:22:20,060 --> 00:22:21,300 topics. 685 00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:24,040 So that it is kind of non-top 686 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:24,900 ical. 687 00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:27,020 That it isn't just a let's 688 00:22:27,020 --> 00:22:29,760 create fiction scenario type of 689 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:30,540 show. 690 00:22:30,540 --> 00:22:33,340 But if I'm honest, I also kind 691 00:22:33,340 --> 00:22:35,800 of feel like it's been more 692 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,280 difficult to have natural 693 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,340 discussions with those types of 694 00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:42,540 things. 695 00:22:43,860 --> 00:22:45,450 The last episode is actually a 696 00:22:45,450 --> 00:22:46,780 good example of that. 697 00:22:46,780 --> 00:22:49,400 Kit and I started talking about 698 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,710 it started off with the Iran 699 00:22:51,710 --> 00:22:52,380 war. 700 00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:53,470 And then it went into 701 00:22:53,470 --> 00:22:54,360 government. 702 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:56,340 And we very quickly realized 703 00:22:56,340 --> 00:22:58,160 that it wasn't working. 704 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,500 It just wasn't working. 705 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:03,510 And so then I was like, oh, 706 00:23:03,510 --> 00:23:05,570 here's something I saw on a 707 00:23:05,570 --> 00:23:07,950 social media site about power 708 00:23:07,950 --> 00:23:08,880 plants. 709 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,360 Let's talk about that. 710 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:11,770 And that went a little bit 711 00:23:11,770 --> 00:23:12,420 better. 712 00:23:12,420 --> 00:23:14,910 But this is not an educational 713 00:23:14,910 --> 00:23:15,620 show. 714 00:23:15,620 --> 00:23:17,820 At least it's not meant to be. 715 00:23:18,860 --> 00:23:21,620 And we spent a half hour or so 716 00:23:21,620 --> 00:23:24,500 talking, giving a treatise 717 00:23:24,500 --> 00:23:27,700 about how power plants work. 718 00:23:27,700 --> 00:23:28,660 Yeah. 719 00:23:28,660 --> 00:23:30,740 And what are good and bad power 720 00:23:30,740 --> 00:23:32,540 plants and all of that. 721 00:23:32,540 --> 00:23:33,950 I don't know that that's the 722 00:23:33,950 --> 00:23:35,250 direction we want to keep 723 00:23:35,250 --> 00:23:36,000 moving in. 724 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,470 So, Kit, if you could see the 725 00:23:39,470 --> 00:23:41,400 show move in a particular 726 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,910 direction, and don't take this 727 00:23:43,910 --> 00:23:45,140 literally. 728 00:23:45,140 --> 00:23:46,440 I don't want to hear north, 729 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,730 south, east, or west, or up or 730 00:23:47,730 --> 00:23:49,040 down, or left or right. 731 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,300 What do you feel most excited 732 00:23:53,300 --> 00:23:56,220 or most engaged with? 733 00:23:56,220 --> 00:23:58,060 Deep Rock Galactic. 734 00:23:58,060 --> 00:24:00,630 I mean, we could talk more 735 00:24:00,630 --> 00:24:03,680 about what we're doing in terms 736 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,680 of playing games and stuff. 737 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,910 But do we want this to be a 738 00:24:08,910 --> 00:24:11,620 show where we just talk about 739 00:24:11,620 --> 00:24:14,360 what we're doing in life? 740 00:24:14,360 --> 00:24:16,530 Does this become more of a life 741 00:24:16,530 --> 00:24:17,180 cast? 742 00:24:17,900 --> 00:24:19,200 Do we go back to more like 743 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:20,340 coming up with fictional 744 00:24:20,340 --> 00:24:21,080 scenarios? 745 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,690 Or do we just hit record and 746 00:24:24,690 --> 00:24:27,520 see what happens? 747 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,080 I mean, you're still going into 748 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,230 it thinking that it's for a 749 00:24:32,230 --> 00:24:33,200 podcast. 750 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,960 And it's not just me asking 751 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,040 what you want to talk about. 752 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,710 Yeah, but it's also like, I 753 00:24:39,710 --> 00:24:42,280 feel like I'm in a difficult 754 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,730 position when you ask that 755 00:24:44,730 --> 00:24:46,040 question. 756 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,760 Because I, I know this is hard 757 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,360 for you to believe. 758 00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:53,520 But there's only so many active 759 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,320 topics of interest that are 760 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,360 rattling around in my brain at 761 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,560 any given moment. 762 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,130 So, like I mentioned earlier in 763 00:25:05,130 --> 00:25:06,900 this episode, if I'm doing the 764 00:25:06,900 --> 00:25:09,020 majority of the talking, and if 765 00:25:09,020 --> 00:25:11,510 I'm the one originating most of 766 00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:14,200 the ideas, eventually that well 767 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,020 is going to run dry. 768 00:25:16,020 --> 00:25:18,250 Well, I don't have any original 769 00:25:18,250 --> 00:25:18,980 ideas. 770 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:21,650 Look, look, it doesn't matter 771 00:25:21,650 --> 00:25:22,740 if they're original. 772 00:25:22,740 --> 00:25:24,620 We just need ideas. 773 00:25:24,620 --> 00:25:26,660 I don't have any ideas. 774 00:25:26,660 --> 00:25:28,700 Because once we start talking, 775 00:25:28,700 --> 00:25:30,520 we will turn those ideas into 776 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:31,820 original ideas. 777 00:25:31,820 --> 00:25:33,800 I don't have any ideas. 778 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:34,660 What do you mean? 779 00:25:36,500 --> 00:25:37,920 And thus highlights, again, 780 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,000 what I was talking about 781 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:39,620 earlier. 782 00:25:39,620 --> 00:25:41,630 The dynamic here at Play can 783 00:25:41,630 --> 00:25:43,480 sometimes be a little bit 784 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:44,620 difficult. 785 00:25:44,620 --> 00:25:45,730 And that's just the reality of 786 00:25:45,730 --> 00:25:46,520 relationships. 787 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,520 That's the reality of working 788 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,600 with somebody that you love and 789 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,680 care about to produce a product 790 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:53,020 . 791 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,340 This is why they say working 792 00:25:55,340 --> 00:25:56,840 with family and friends can be 793 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,240 a very difficult thing. 794 00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,750 Because there's, not that the 795 00:26:00,750 --> 00:26:02,840 podcast is a business. 796 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:04,610 I mean, we're doing it for fun 797 00:26:04,610 --> 00:26:07,140 and we've, hey, we've made $10. 798 00:26:07,140 --> 00:26:08,600 What? 799 00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,000 Yeah, we made $10 on this show. 800 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,460 But the fact that it's 801 00:26:14,460 --> 00:26:17,340 something that we have to 802 00:26:17,340 --> 00:26:20,420 produce on a regular basis 803 00:26:20,420 --> 00:26:22,760 means that there are certain 804 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:23,940 dynamics at play. 805 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,360 And that the personalities 806 00:26:26,360 --> 00:26:28,870 behind those dynamics can be 807 00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:30,380 challenging. 808 00:26:30,380 --> 00:26:32,450 And I would say, even if I'm 809 00:26:32,450 --> 00:26:34,530 the one that ends up talking 810 00:26:34,530 --> 00:26:36,870 more, again, I would not keep 811 00:26:36,870 --> 00:26:39,030 doing this if you didn't want 812 00:26:39,030 --> 00:26:39,660 to. 813 00:26:39,660 --> 00:26:44,010 Because the whole point is to 814 00:26:44,010 --> 00:26:48,400 connect with you, my son. 815 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,360 Not just to keep talking to 816 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:52,600 hear my own voice. 817 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,600 Which I'll be glad to do. 818 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,260 But that's not the point. 819 00:26:57,260 --> 00:26:59,240 I guess the big question, what 820 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:00,900 can you all expect from the 821 00:27:00,900 --> 00:27:02,400 future of this show? 822 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,060 We don't know. 823 00:27:05,060 --> 00:27:05,740 Yeah. 824 00:27:05,740 --> 00:27:08,420 We haven't even decided that. 825 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,680 Because it can change from week 826 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,630 to week in terms of whatever 827 00:27:13,630 --> 00:27:15,620 idea that we come up with. 828 00:27:15,620 --> 00:27:18,100 What our moods are at the time. 829 00:27:18,100 --> 00:27:20,330 There have been episodes we've 830 00:27:20,330 --> 00:27:21,320 scrapped. 831 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,300 Even this year, we recorded an 832 00:27:24,300 --> 00:27:27,280 episode about AI that we really 833 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,420 kind of reached an impasse on. 834 00:27:31,220 --> 00:27:33,200 Where we have two somewhat 835 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,820 different opinions. 836 00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:37,440 And let's just say that there 837 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,180 was no budging either one of us 838 00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:42,520 really from our camps. 839 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,490 And it was more of a discussion 840 00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:44,580 . 841 00:27:44,580 --> 00:27:45,760 I was winning. 842 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,270 You were winning by stonewall 843 00:27:49,270 --> 00:27:50,160 ing. 844 00:27:52,020 --> 00:27:53,980 I was making you feel guilty. 845 00:27:53,980 --> 00:27:54,960 Therefore, I was winning. 846 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,770 But that said, those are few 847 00:27:57,770 --> 00:27:59,740 and far between. 848 00:27:59,740 --> 00:28:01,430 We try to have fun with this 849 00:28:01,430 --> 00:28:03,350 and talk about what's amusing 850 00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:04,780 to us at the moment. 851 00:28:04,780 --> 00:28:06,540 If it's amusing. 852 00:28:06,540 --> 00:28:08,260 If it's a musical. 853 00:28:08,260 --> 00:28:11,170 Hey, we should do a show that's 854 00:28:11,170 --> 00:28:12,480 a musical. 855 00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:13,460 No. 856 00:28:13,460 --> 00:28:15,600 We'll sing the entire episode. 857 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:16,260 No. 858 00:28:16,260 --> 00:28:19,360 I can't sing. 859 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,110 So, what can you expect from 860 00:28:22,110 --> 00:28:23,340 the show going forward? 861 00:28:23,340 --> 00:28:25,110 You can expect the show to go 862 00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:25,960 forward. 863 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:26,920 Yeah. 864 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:28,420 There will be episodes that are 865 00:28:28,420 --> 00:28:29,240 really good. 866 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,660 And there will be episodes that 867 00:28:30,660 --> 00:28:31,700 are less than good. 868 00:28:31,700 --> 00:28:34,060 But one thing you can continue 869 00:28:34,060 --> 00:28:36,530 to expect, no matter what, is 870 00:28:36,530 --> 00:28:38,420 cheese quesadilla. 871 00:28:38,420 --> 00:28:39,490 I already said cheese quesad 872 00:28:39,490 --> 00:28:40,320 illa this episode. 873 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,340 We had to say it again. 874 00:28:41,340 --> 00:28:42,380 We had to say it again. 875 00:28:42,380 --> 00:28:43,420 Because it fits. 876 00:28:43,420 --> 00:28:45,100 But that's one thing that you 877 00:28:45,100 --> 00:28:46,680 can continue to expect. 878 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,280 Is cheese quesadilla to make an 879 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:49,600 appearance in most of the 880 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,420 episodes. 881 00:28:50,580 --> 00:28:51,490 Unless we come up with a new 882 00:28:51,490 --> 00:28:51,920 phrase. 883 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:53,700 Stuffed crust pizza. 884 00:28:53,700 --> 00:28:55,670 And you can also expect this 885 00:28:55,670 --> 00:28:56,180 segue. 886 00:28:56,180 --> 00:28:57,820 To our sponsor. 887 00:28:57,820 --> 00:28:58,780 Us. 888 00:28:58,780 --> 00:28:59,380 Us. 889 00:28:59,380 --> 00:29:00,300 That's right. 890 00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:01,780 So, first of all. 891 00:29:01,780 --> 00:29:03,460 If you want to give us some 892 00:29:03,460 --> 00:29:05,480 information as to what you've 893 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,540 taken away over the past year 894 00:29:07,540 --> 00:29:07,980 of the show. 895 00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:09,160 Which we would love to hear. 896 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,220 Feedback@nontopical.com. 897 00:29:12,220 --> 00:29:13,280 It's the place to do that. 898 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,250 But this is also a value for 899 00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:16,140 value show. 900 00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:18,120 Which means if you get any 901 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,100 value out of what you hear us 902 00:29:20,100 --> 00:29:20,880 doing. 903 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,840 And the effort that we put into 904 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:23,120 it. 905 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,210 As far as some value in which 906 00:29:25,210 --> 00:29:25,800 one. 907 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:26,500 Yep. 908 00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:28,140 And that could be, again, by 909 00:29:28,140 --> 00:29:28,900 emailing. 910 00:29:28,900 --> 00:29:30,060 That could be by sharing the 911 00:29:30,060 --> 00:29:30,960 show with people. 912 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,300 So that we grow our audience. 913 00:29:32,300 --> 00:29:34,780 Or it can be in the form of 914 00:29:34,780 --> 00:29:36,920 cold, hard cash. 915 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,360 It could be $1. 916 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,380 $5. 917 00:29:39,380 --> 00:29:40,560 $15. 918 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,300 Or hypothetical $1,000. 919 00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:47,280 Essentially, whatever level of 920 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,140 value you get out of the show. 921 00:29:49,140 --> 00:29:50,920 Give that back. 922 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,210 Because, first of all, it helps 923 00:29:52,210 --> 00:29:53,500 to inspire us to move forward. 924 00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:55,710 But, second of all, it does 925 00:29:55,710 --> 00:29:57,920 give us some stuff that we can 926 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,460 use to save up for the future. 927 00:30:00,460 --> 00:30:03,140 Did you give the call finally? 928 00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:04,440 Oh, I forgot. 929 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:05,220 Thank you, sir. 930 00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:08,190 The place to do that little 931 00:30:08,190 --> 00:30:11,810 donation is to go to 932 00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:14,360 https://ko-fi.com/nontopical. 933 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,590 That's 934 00:30:18,590 --> 00:30:19,640 https://ko-fi.com/nontopical. 935 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,460 What type of slash? 936 00:30:21,460 --> 00:30:23,100 Forward slash. 937 00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:26,540 The slash the internet uses. 938 00:30:26,540 --> 00:30:28,060 Not the backslash. 939 00:30:28,060 --> 00:30:30,520 So that about wraps it up for 940 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:32,980 our one year celebration of 941 00:30:32,980 --> 00:30:34,440 podcasting. 942 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:35,920 Retrospective. 943 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,310 It might not have been the most 944 00:30:37,310 --> 00:30:38,480 entertaining thing. 945 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:39,960 But, it does encompass 946 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:41,980 everything that we've done over 947 00:30:41,980 --> 00:30:43,060 the past year. 948 00:30:43,060 --> 00:30:45,130 The genesis of the show all the 949 00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:47,100 way to where we are today. 950 00:30:48,020 --> 00:30:50,000 And, a little bit of the nature 951 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,740 of the behind the scenes. 952 00:30:51,740 --> 00:30:53,580 Both in terms of the editing. 953 00:30:53,580 --> 00:30:55,140 The technology. 954 00:30:55,140 --> 00:30:55,620 The technology. 955 00:30:55,620 --> 00:30:57,220 And, some of the difficulties 956 00:30:57,220 --> 00:30:58,570 that we have in putting the 957 00:30:58,570 --> 00:30:59,580 show together. 958 00:30:59,580 --> 00:31:01,070 When it comes to determining 959 00:31:01,070 --> 00:31:02,610 what are we going to talk about 960 00:31:02,610 --> 00:31:02,860 . 961 00:31:02,860 --> 00:31:04,220 Hey, Kit. 962 00:31:04,220 --> 00:31:06,100 What do you want to talk about? 963 00:31:06,100 --> 00:31:07,840 My legs hot. 964 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,600 All right, everybody. 965 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:10,640 Well, thank you for listening. 966 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,020 Thank you for helping to make 967 00:31:12,020 --> 00:31:13,530 this a successful first year of 968 00:31:13,530 --> 00:31:14,400 nontopical. 969 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,730 And we hope to see you again 970 00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:18,690 over the coming years as we 971 00:31:18,690 --> 00:31:22,010 continue to walk, talk, and 972 00:31:22,010 --> 00:31:23,730 grow through whatever this 973 00:31:23,730 --> 00:31:24,420 podcast is. 974 00:31:24,420 --> 00:31:25,960 So thank you for listening, for 975 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:26,920 being out there. 976 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,700 Until next time. 977 00:31:28,700 --> 00:31:29,500 Bye.