1 00:00:15,250 --> 00:00:17,650 All right, we're back again. 2 00:00:17,650 --> 00:00:18,450 Again. 3 00:00:18,450 --> 00:00:19,150 Again. 4 00:00:19,150 --> 00:00:19,850 Again. 5 00:00:19,850 --> 00:00:21,850 Oh no. 6 00:00:21,850 --> 00:00:25,750 And actually, I will bring this up on the podcast. 7 00:00:25,750 --> 00:00:33,450 We were just saying before the recording, we should come up with a fun name for our listeners, 8 00:00:33,450 --> 00:00:35,650 like non-topicans or something. 9 00:00:35,650 --> 00:00:36,650 I don't know. 10 00:00:36,650 --> 00:00:43,350 I don't know what it would be, but it'd be fun to have a nice name for, you know, our listeners 11 00:00:43,350 --> 00:00:46,250 and maybe to come up with like names of people. 12 00:00:46,250 --> 00:00:48,250 Like for very important question. 13 00:00:48,250 --> 00:00:48,750 Yes. 14 00:00:48,750 --> 00:00:51,850 What listener? 15 00:00:51,850 --> 00:00:58,850 Actually, being that kit brought that up, please, if you do enjoy anything that you hear from us, 16 00:00:58,850 --> 00:01:08,350 share it with people because we are not going to spend advertising money with Google or Microsoft or Apple or any of these. 17 00:01:08,350 --> 00:01:08,950 What money? 18 00:01:08,950 --> 00:01:09,750 Yeah, exactly. 19 00:01:09,750 --> 00:01:10,750 What money? 20 00:01:10,750 --> 00:01:14,550 So if you do like what you're hearing, please share it with people. 21 00:01:14,550 --> 00:01:23,750 On average, we get about 12 to 20 unique listeners per episode in the time that it is launched, like within the first month. 22 00:01:23,750 --> 00:01:26,750 So if we could increase that, that would be great. 23 00:01:26,750 --> 00:01:28,550 But if not, we saw fun doing this. 24 00:01:28,550 --> 00:01:30,150 Me. 25 00:01:30,150 --> 00:01:31,150 Me. 26 00:01:31,150 --> 00:01:32,250 Last time. 27 00:01:32,250 --> 00:01:34,050 So by the way, this is episode 21. 28 00:01:34,050 --> 00:01:38,750 We didn't say last time that it was episode 20, which is a pretty significant milestone. 29 00:01:38,750 --> 00:01:40,550 This is episode 21. 30 00:01:40,550 --> 00:01:44,850 And there's enough episodes that the podcast can drink. 31 00:01:44,850 --> 00:01:45,650 Yes. 32 00:01:45,650 --> 00:01:46,050 Yep. 33 00:01:46,050 --> 00:01:48,250 Except that it's not 21 years old yet. 34 00:01:48,250 --> 00:01:53,550 So no, no, we're not even one year old yet. 35 00:01:53,550 --> 00:01:54,950 All right. 36 00:01:54,950 --> 00:02:02,850 So last time, we took a little bit of a different approach to the podcast and I think we're going to continue that for a little while at least. 37 00:02:02,850 --> 00:02:10,650 Kit brought up that this is not supposed to be a quote unquote topical podcast, meaning that it's not always going to be we're creating a movie or TV show. 38 00:02:10,650 --> 00:02:11,250 Or whatever. 39 00:02:11,250 --> 00:02:12,650 We kind of got into that groove. 40 00:02:12,650 --> 00:02:13,050 Yeah. 41 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:15,150 We're trying some different things. 42 00:02:15,150 --> 00:02:22,550 There will be occasionally movies and TV show and web series ideas that get sprinkled in as they naturally come up. 43 00:02:22,550 --> 00:02:29,350 But really, the premise of the podcast is usually we're walking and just chatting and stuff comes up. 44 00:02:29,350 --> 00:02:38,850 In fact, with some episodes, it's like it takes a while for us to get to the creative bit that's actually good, which is part of the process. 45 00:02:38,850 --> 00:02:39,850 Mm-hmm. 46 00:02:39,850 --> 00:02:46,250 And last time, Kit presented me with a particular scenario that he wanted me to go through. 47 00:02:46,250 --> 00:02:50,650 So I am going to turn the tables on you, sir. 48 00:02:50,650 --> 00:03:02,650 Yes, I'm going to turn the tables on you and I'm going to be I'm going to be more specific in this scenario because you guys don't know Kit like I do. 49 00:03:02,650 --> 00:03:08,850 Kit will limit his response to as few syllables as possible. 50 00:03:08,850 --> 00:03:20,350 If if we watch a movie and he is laughing hysterically at that movie like he's actually enjoying it and I say to him afterwards, hey, Kit, what did you think of that movie? 51 00:03:20,350 --> 00:03:22,450 He won't even speak. 52 00:03:22,450 --> 00:03:29,750 He will lift up a thumbs up without even saying anything and then put it down. 53 00:03:29,750 --> 00:03:32,150 If I say, what did you like about it? 54 00:03:32,150 --> 00:03:35,150 He'll say it was good. 55 00:03:35,150 --> 00:03:44,650 So for that reason, I'm going to say to you, sir, you can't do that here. 56 00:03:44,650 --> 00:03:46,750 You have to actually think this through. 57 00:03:46,750 --> 00:03:53,650 But I will also provide you with enough information that you have all the details that you need. 58 00:03:53,650 --> 00:03:59,550 So last time the question was if an assassin Android is coming after you, what do you do? 59 00:03:59,550 --> 00:04:02,750 And I asked a bunch of questions up front about that. 60 00:04:02,750 --> 00:04:10,350 This time I'm going to ask you what would you do in a wilderness survival situation? 61 00:04:10,350 --> 00:04:16,650 Now that's not enough information to go off of because there could be a million. 62 00:04:16,650 --> 00:04:19,450 Like I've seen Survivor Man. 63 00:04:19,450 --> 00:04:20,350 All right. 64 00:04:20,350 --> 00:04:24,750 I know there could be well and I've seen dual survival as well. 65 00:04:24,750 --> 00:04:32,350 Those I enjoy watching those kinds of shows, but I prefer Survivor Man because he filmed it himself and actually 66 00:04:32,350 --> 00:04:36,950 had to go back and pick up the cameras as he's going. 67 00:04:36,950 --> 00:04:39,750 Like that's crazy to have to film something like that yourself. 68 00:04:39,750 --> 00:04:46,450 But anyway, I will provide you with the best chances for success here. 69 00:04:46,450 --> 00:04:48,150 Okay. 70 00:04:48,150 --> 00:04:51,850 You are going to be stranded. 71 00:04:51,850 --> 00:04:56,750 I'm going to say mid spring early summer. 72 00:04:56,750 --> 00:04:57,250 All right. 73 00:04:57,250 --> 00:05:03,250 So it's not yet like 90 degrees out, but we're not dealing with winter like temperatures. 74 00:05:03,250 --> 00:05:11,450 You're dealing with maybe like 40 to 50 degrees at night and like 70s, 80s during the day. 75 00:05:11,450 --> 00:05:13,750 So it's not wildfire season. 76 00:05:13,750 --> 00:05:17,150 It's not wildfire fire season. 77 00:05:17,150 --> 00:05:22,650 Secondly, the conditions of your stranding. 78 00:05:22,650 --> 00:05:30,350 Again, to give you the best chances of success, I'm going to go with environments that you are used to. 79 00:05:30,350 --> 00:05:39,450 So it is going to be in a very large wooded area in a climate similar to ours. 80 00:05:39,450 --> 00:05:51,150 Unlike ours though, there's not going to be like a minor highway or road within a thousand feet of anywhere. 81 00:05:51,150 --> 00:05:54,850 So this is a much larger space. 82 00:05:54,850 --> 00:06:02,250 The reason that you're out there is you were going camping with some friends. 83 00:06:02,250 --> 00:06:03,550 And friends. 84 00:06:03,550 --> 00:06:05,150 Okay, fine. 85 00:06:05,150 --> 00:06:07,950 But you're going camping. 86 00:06:07,950 --> 00:06:14,850 You're your friend, you're camping and you have ATVs, all terrain vehicles. 87 00:06:14,850 --> 00:06:17,650 You didn't use all of your supplies for the camping trip. 88 00:06:17,650 --> 00:06:25,950 Actually, what happened was a buddy of yours broke their leg and so they had to be hauled out. 89 00:06:25,950 --> 00:06:35,350 And in the process, you decided to keep yourself busy by kind of wandering around a little bit 90 00:06:35,350 --> 00:06:37,150 and you get a little bit lost. 91 00:06:37,150 --> 00:06:40,950 But you know that that buggy is still nearby. 92 00:06:40,950 --> 00:06:43,850 You don't know if or when your friends are going to come back. 93 00:06:43,850 --> 00:06:56,650 And in fact, I'm going to say that due to a road being washed out and keep in mind, the road is like miles away. 94 00:06:56,650 --> 00:07:03,950 So something happens, the road crashes and the path that you took in is not a well worn path. 95 00:07:03,950 --> 00:07:09,150 Even though you guys used ATVs on it, maybe it rained one of the nights that you were there, 96 00:07:09,150 --> 00:07:16,450 rained the night that they left and there's like very little path to go off of. 97 00:07:16,450 --> 00:07:22,750 So you're in the wilderness, you've got some camping supplies, you still have some food 98 00:07:22,750 --> 00:07:26,950 and you do not have any direct like weapons. 99 00:07:26,950 --> 00:07:35,650 You do have a pocket knife and you have anything that you can strip off of the ATV to help you. 100 00:07:35,650 --> 00:07:39,050 I'm also going to say that you have some fire starters. 101 00:07:39,050 --> 00:07:42,650 You have a Flint and Flint and steel. 102 00:07:42,650 --> 00:07:47,450 You have Flint and steel so that do I have any flares or no? 103 00:07:47,450 --> 00:07:55,450 I'm going to say that you have a couple of flares, but they're not like flare gun flares. 104 00:07:55,450 --> 00:07:57,850 They're more like road flares. 105 00:07:57,850 --> 00:08:01,850 So they will help you to light stuff on fire if needed. 106 00:08:01,850 --> 00:08:09,050 But in the middle of the woods in a circumstance where you've lost your path and 107 00:08:09,050 --> 00:08:14,550 other such things, they're not going to necessarily do you much good. 108 00:08:14,550 --> 00:08:18,950 I will also say that there is indigenous wildlife. 109 00:08:18,950 --> 00:08:22,750 Some of it is not harmful to you at all. 110 00:08:22,750 --> 00:08:26,450 You know, squirrels, raccoons, birds, that type of stuff. 111 00:08:26,450 --> 00:08:28,450 There's also deer. 112 00:08:28,450 --> 00:08:33,250 But there are some deadlier things if you're not careful. 113 00:08:33,250 --> 00:08:39,250 So there are timber rattlesnakes, which are native to our area, by the way. 114 00:08:39,250 --> 00:08:43,150 There are bears, bears, bear or bears. 115 00:08:43,150 --> 00:08:44,350 I don't know. 116 00:08:44,350 --> 00:08:46,250 There are no bear cops, though. 117 00:08:46,250 --> 00:08:48,950 So these are not sentient bears. 118 00:08:48,950 --> 00:08:51,550 These are not these are not in hyper intelligent bears. 119 00:08:51,550 --> 00:08:54,650 These are normal bears. 120 00:08:54,650 --> 00:08:58,950 What else could we throw in there that might be more dangerous to humans? 121 00:08:58,950 --> 00:09:01,650 I mean, there are coyotes. 122 00:09:01,650 --> 00:09:03,250 Folks. 123 00:09:03,250 --> 00:09:05,650 Foxes and deadly to humans. 124 00:09:05,650 --> 00:09:06,350 And you know what? 125 00:09:06,350 --> 00:09:11,350 Just for the heck of it, just to throw a curveball, there may or may not be a big 126 00:09:11,350 --> 00:09:13,050 foot around. 127 00:09:13,050 --> 00:09:17,050 I don't know anything about the rattlesnake thing, by the way. 128 00:09:17,050 --> 00:09:22,850 Oh, well, timber rattlers are in fact native to our state. 129 00:09:22,850 --> 00:09:26,750 So you have to be careful during the summer, especially because they like 130 00:09:26,750 --> 00:09:31,850 to, you know, go up onto rocky areas and sun themselves, which snakes 131 00:09:31,850 --> 00:09:33,050 generally do. 132 00:09:33,050 --> 00:09:38,350 So if you're hiking and you don't keep an eye out, they they they will 133 00:09:38,350 --> 00:09:41,050 bite you if you're I mean, generally they're going to run away. 134 00:09:41,050 --> 00:09:45,550 But if you like get them in a position where they were in your boot in 135 00:09:45,550 --> 00:09:48,450 the middle of the night and then you go to step on them in the morning 136 00:09:48,450 --> 00:09:52,250 accidentally because they were in your shoe trying to keep warm. 137 00:09:52,250 --> 00:09:54,650 I want to know the obvious answer to that. 138 00:09:54,650 --> 00:09:55,050 What? 139 00:09:55,050 --> 00:09:56,650 Never take off your shoes. 140 00:09:56,650 --> 00:10:01,850 Well, that can cause other problems, but yes, I would rather have like 141 00:10:01,850 --> 00:10:04,650 foot fungus of some kind than be dead. 142 00:10:04,650 --> 00:10:05,750 Yes. 143 00:10:05,750 --> 00:10:09,450 You do want to, well, you do have, again, you're on a camping 144 00:10:09,450 --> 00:10:12,450 trip, you do have some clothes and stuff that you can rotate 145 00:10:12,450 --> 00:10:13,250 through. 146 00:10:13,250 --> 00:10:16,350 And if there's any rivers nearby, you could try to clean them up. 147 00:10:16,350 --> 00:10:21,350 So again, let's just presume you're stranded in woods. 148 00:10:21,350 --> 00:10:27,250 There's nothing for roughly 25 miles around you. 149 00:10:27,250 --> 00:10:28,750 You don't have a radio. 150 00:10:28,750 --> 00:10:31,050 You don't have any signaling methods. 151 00:10:31,050 --> 00:10:34,450 You have some food except for the road flares. 152 00:10:34,450 --> 00:10:40,550 You have some food and you have the ATV that you can scavenge 153 00:10:40,550 --> 00:10:43,850 for parts to make weapons and things like that. 154 00:10:43,850 --> 00:10:45,850 How much fuel does it have? 155 00:10:45,850 --> 00:10:49,050 It would be enough that if you were able to find the path, 156 00:10:49,050 --> 00:10:51,450 which you can't, I'm just going to say, no matter how hard 157 00:10:51,450 --> 00:10:54,150 you try, you can't find the path you came in on. 158 00:10:54,150 --> 00:10:56,450 I would say half a tank. 159 00:10:56,450 --> 00:11:00,450 Do I know like where on a map, like what direction 160 00:11:00,450 --> 00:11:03,050 we had been camping? 161 00:11:03,050 --> 00:11:07,250 Unfortunately, they took the map with them. 162 00:11:07,250 --> 00:11:10,750 You might have a compass, but you don't have the map. 163 00:11:10,750 --> 00:11:12,150 I mean, who needs a compass anyway? 164 00:11:12,150 --> 00:11:16,450 You can figure out north, east, west, south anyway. 165 00:11:16,450 --> 00:11:18,450 How would you go about that? 166 00:11:18,450 --> 00:11:21,550 I mean, you can just look at where the sun is. 167 00:11:21,550 --> 00:11:23,350 This is obvious. 168 00:11:23,350 --> 00:11:24,650 Okay. 169 00:11:24,650 --> 00:11:28,750 But the first thing you did to do whenever this type of 170 00:11:28,750 --> 00:11:32,550 thing happened is to climb a tree. 171 00:11:32,550 --> 00:11:34,750 Are you good at climbing trees? 172 00:11:34,750 --> 00:11:37,450 I can climb trees. 173 00:11:37,450 --> 00:11:38,650 All right. 174 00:11:38,650 --> 00:11:44,450 So being a good DM, I'm going to say, you climb the tree 175 00:11:44,450 --> 00:11:48,750 and you see woods as far as the eye can see. 176 00:11:48,750 --> 00:11:50,950 Can I see any rivers or anything? 177 00:11:50,950 --> 00:11:51,750 In every direction. 178 00:11:51,750 --> 00:11:54,150 Any notable landmarks? 179 00:11:54,150 --> 00:11:55,550 Um, okay. 180 00:11:55,550 --> 00:12:04,750 So to the north, there is a mountain in the far, far distance. 181 00:12:04,750 --> 00:12:09,250 It's really hard to tell, but there's definitely like what 182 00:12:09,250 --> 00:12:13,850 looks like a river cutting through the area going as 183 00:12:13,850 --> 00:12:16,950 rivers typically do from north to south. 184 00:12:16,950 --> 00:12:21,550 And also there appear to be a couple of like areas that 185 00:12:21,550 --> 00:12:30,150 are less dense that are a bit west of your position. 186 00:12:30,150 --> 00:12:33,450 And actually the river is a bit west of your position as 187 00:12:33,450 --> 00:12:37,050 well from what you can see in the trees. 188 00:12:37,050 --> 00:12:40,150 Do I know what mountain the mountain is like or it would 189 00:12:40,150 --> 00:12:42,650 be relative to the camp? 190 00:12:42,650 --> 00:12:46,850 You know, I'm going to use the name of a mountain that 191 00:12:46,850 --> 00:12:51,050 actually exists but not in this fiction like not not in 192 00:12:51,050 --> 00:12:52,150 the position that it does. 193 00:12:52,150 --> 00:12:56,650 I'm going to call it Mount Tom, which is an actual mountain. 194 00:12:56,650 --> 00:12:59,250 So there are actually mountains, several Mount Tom. 195 00:12:59,250 --> 00:13:01,950 So it's Mount Tom. 196 00:13:01,950 --> 00:13:03,950 You do know that that's what it is. 197 00:13:03,950 --> 00:13:04,250 Yeah. 198 00:13:04,250 --> 00:13:08,350 But do I know like where it is in terms of where we were 199 00:13:08,350 --> 00:13:10,650 camping before? 200 00:13:10,650 --> 00:13:13,350 I mean, you know, it is generally north of where you 201 00:13:13,350 --> 00:13:13,850 were camping. 202 00:13:13,850 --> 00:13:16,350 Like you're familiar enough that, you know, oh yeah, like 203 00:13:16,350 --> 00:13:20,050 in this state Mount Tom is roughly here. 204 00:13:20,050 --> 00:13:23,250 I'm saying like, could I tell if we were east or west of it? 205 00:13:23,250 --> 00:13:25,250 Like I said, it's north of you. 206 00:13:25,250 --> 00:13:27,450 So you're south of it. 207 00:13:27,450 --> 00:13:30,150 I'm saying could we could I tell like which way the 208 00:13:30,150 --> 00:13:31,950 camp was from it? 209 00:13:31,950 --> 00:13:33,650 East or west? 210 00:13:33,650 --> 00:13:37,850 Um, because if we could see it from the camp, you would 211 00:13:37,850 --> 00:13:40,950 be able to tell which side of it you were you were closer 212 00:13:40,950 --> 00:13:41,450 to. 213 00:13:41,450 --> 00:13:46,450 I would say yes, you could use it as a landmark in that 214 00:13:46,450 --> 00:13:48,250 regard. 215 00:13:48,250 --> 00:13:50,550 So you may be able to find your way back to camp, but 216 00:13:50,550 --> 00:13:52,550 even if you find your way back to camp, you're not 217 00:13:52,550 --> 00:13:54,450 going to find the road out. 218 00:13:54,450 --> 00:13:58,950 Yeah, but do I do I know like, like which way it is 219 00:13:58,950 --> 00:13:59,950 from there? 220 00:13:59,950 --> 00:14:01,150 I already answered that question. 221 00:14:01,150 --> 00:14:02,650 I said yes. 222 00:14:02,650 --> 00:14:06,050 So you could figure it out sort of you're still going 223 00:14:06,050 --> 00:14:10,350 to have to wander a little bit, but generally speaking, 224 00:14:10,350 --> 00:14:15,850 you know that where you were camping was like 225 00:14:15,850 --> 00:14:19,550 the mountain was roughly at this angle for whatever reason 226 00:14:19,550 --> 00:14:21,350 because your friends had the map at the time. 227 00:14:21,350 --> 00:14:23,350 So they were like, oh yeah, look, if you look at the 228 00:14:23,350 --> 00:14:26,250 map here, you could see like off at this angle, that's 229 00:14:26,250 --> 00:14:27,850 where Mount Tom is. 230 00:14:27,850 --> 00:14:30,050 So you may be able to at least find your way back 231 00:14:30,050 --> 00:14:34,550 to camp sort of using that as a guidepost. 232 00:14:34,550 --> 00:14:38,650 Yeah, so it's direction is it? 233 00:14:38,650 --> 00:14:40,650 I don't think that that actually matters. 234 00:14:40,650 --> 00:14:43,950 You just need to know that it's you'll be able 235 00:14:43,950 --> 00:14:46,550 to find the camp. 236 00:14:46,550 --> 00:14:49,550 So all I'm telling you at this point is this, you can 237 00:14:49,550 --> 00:14:51,150 see the mountain to the north. 238 00:14:51,150 --> 00:14:54,150 You can see a river going from north to south, but 239 00:14:54,150 --> 00:14:56,450 it's to the west of your position. 240 00:14:56,450 --> 00:14:58,850 And let's just say for the sake of argument, your 241 00:14:58,850 --> 00:15:04,250 original camp is slightly east of your position. 242 00:15:04,250 --> 00:15:06,750 I guess the main thing would be to get there then, 243 00:15:06,750 --> 00:15:07,850 right? 244 00:15:07,850 --> 00:15:09,150 Okay. 245 00:15:09,150 --> 00:15:10,950 In theory. 246 00:15:10,950 --> 00:15:15,150 So you get back to your camp and you do see that 247 00:15:15,150 --> 00:15:19,250 some animals have looted some of the food, not everything. 248 00:15:19,250 --> 00:15:19,650 Oh, okay. 249 00:15:19,650 --> 00:15:21,350 So the people I was with were idiots. 250 00:15:21,350 --> 00:15:21,850 Okay. 251 00:15:21,850 --> 00:15:24,750 Yeah, they didn't put stuff up in a bear bag. 252 00:15:24,750 --> 00:15:27,150 So some of the food got looted, but a lot of the 253 00:15:27,150 --> 00:15:32,450 stuff that is remaining is non perishable. 254 00:15:32,450 --> 00:15:35,550 So it's stuff that's like or maybe not non perishable, 255 00:15:35,550 --> 00:15:38,650 but stuff that's like individually wrapped some 256 00:15:38,650 --> 00:15:42,450 canned food, some beans, etc. 257 00:15:42,450 --> 00:15:45,550 Do I have a bag? 258 00:15:45,550 --> 00:15:49,050 Well, given that you were camping, I would say that 259 00:15:49,050 --> 00:15:55,650 you have a normal sized like hiking backpack. 260 00:15:55,650 --> 00:15:58,350 So not like a like a camping backpack where it's 261 00:15:58,350 --> 00:15:59,050 like huge ones. 262 00:15:59,050 --> 00:16:01,850 I don't have a tent store there. 263 00:16:01,850 --> 00:16:03,150 Both tents are there. 264 00:16:03,150 --> 00:16:03,550 Okay. 265 00:16:03,550 --> 00:16:06,650 Can I cut off part of one and turn it into like a bag 266 00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:07,550 sort of thing? 267 00:16:07,550 --> 00:16:09,150 If you needed to, yeah. 268 00:16:09,150 --> 00:16:10,050 Yeah. 269 00:16:10,050 --> 00:16:12,350 So you have a normal hiking backpack that you could 270 00:16:12,350 --> 00:16:15,950 store like it's a size of a school backpack, but more 271 00:16:15,950 --> 00:16:18,650 rugged, like a little bit bigger than average like 272 00:16:18,650 --> 00:16:21,750 school backpack and there is there isn't enough size 273 00:16:21,750 --> 00:16:24,750 in it to put all the food in it though, right? 274 00:16:24,750 --> 00:16:25,550 Right. 275 00:16:25,550 --> 00:16:25,850 Yeah. 276 00:16:25,850 --> 00:16:29,150 So then to be safe, I would cut off part of one of 277 00:16:29,150 --> 00:16:32,550 the tents and like string it up like a bag. 278 00:16:32,550 --> 00:16:34,250 Okay. 279 00:16:34,250 --> 00:16:35,950 Although I'm not good at tying knots. 280 00:16:35,950 --> 00:16:37,050 So. 281 00:16:37,050 --> 00:16:39,450 All right. 282 00:16:39,450 --> 00:16:40,750 And where do you go from here? 283 00:16:40,750 --> 00:16:43,350 How are you going to find your way out now? 284 00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:46,450 Well, if I found it to camp, the best thing to do would 285 00:16:46,450 --> 00:16:51,050 be to climb a tree again and see what there is to see 286 00:16:51,050 --> 00:16:52,050 now. 287 00:16:52,050 --> 00:16:54,750 I mean, you're going to see the same thing that you 288 00:16:54,750 --> 00:17:00,550 saw before only Mount Tom is at a different angle. 289 00:17:00,550 --> 00:17:04,250 So you got Mount Tom to the north, but like you 290 00:17:04,250 --> 00:17:06,650 could see again, there's a river going from north 291 00:17:06,650 --> 00:17:11,850 to south and that's to the west of you. 292 00:17:11,850 --> 00:17:15,450 And also there looks like there's like some clearing 293 00:17:15,450 --> 00:17:17,850 off to the west as well. 294 00:17:17,850 --> 00:17:22,150 So I don't know generally where the road is. 295 00:17:22,150 --> 00:17:23,050 Right. 296 00:17:23,050 --> 00:17:26,450 Did I did I ever notice what side of the road Mount 297 00:17:26,450 --> 00:17:29,150 Tom was on? 298 00:17:29,150 --> 00:17:33,050 I again, you might have glanced that from the map 299 00:17:33,050 --> 00:17:35,550 when it was there, but you don't have it anymore. 300 00:17:35,550 --> 00:17:38,050 And clearly you don't have a cell phone at this point. 301 00:17:38,050 --> 00:17:43,450 Like we're presuming cell phones dead or can't get signal. 302 00:17:43,450 --> 00:17:45,650 Or I just didn't bring it because that sounds like 303 00:17:45,650 --> 00:17:46,650 something I do. 304 00:17:46,650 --> 00:17:49,550 Yeah. 305 00:17:49,550 --> 00:17:50,150 All right. 306 00:17:50,150 --> 00:17:53,150 So you've gotten the lay of the land. 307 00:17:53,150 --> 00:17:54,650 What is your decision here? 308 00:17:54,650 --> 00:17:56,850 I mean, you could choose to stay in camp, but I've 309 00:17:56,850 --> 00:17:58,150 already told you that. 310 00:17:58,150 --> 00:18:00,250 I mean, you wouldn't know this, but chances. 311 00:18:00,250 --> 00:18:02,450 So let's just say you stay in camp. 312 00:18:02,450 --> 00:18:04,250 No, you see, I already have a plan. 313 00:18:04,250 --> 00:18:04,550 Okay. 314 00:18:04,550 --> 00:18:05,150 What's your plan? 315 00:18:05,150 --> 00:18:08,350 So I take some of the food. 316 00:18:08,350 --> 00:18:10,450 If I can figure out how to do it, I would make like 317 00:18:10,450 --> 00:18:15,450 something similar to a spear either with a rock or with 318 00:18:15,450 --> 00:18:19,250 like a sharp piece of metal that I ripped off of the 319 00:18:19,250 --> 00:18:23,550 ATV that isn't necessary for it to work. 320 00:18:23,550 --> 00:18:26,550 And then the logical thing to do is follow the 321 00:18:26,550 --> 00:18:30,850 river in one direction or one of the two directions 322 00:18:30,850 --> 00:18:34,350 I don't know which that is that sounds like a good 323 00:18:34,350 --> 00:18:36,150 plan. 324 00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:41,150 So and then I get my own firebear and then you die of 325 00:18:41,150 --> 00:18:42,950 dysentery. 326 00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:46,950 Actually, that's the smartest thing that you could have 327 00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:47,150 done. 328 00:18:47,150 --> 00:18:50,350 I mean, generally speaking, people say to stay put in 329 00:18:50,350 --> 00:18:51,750 a survival situation. 330 00:18:51,750 --> 00:18:53,350 That sounds stupid. 331 00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:55,750 Well, no, in reality, that's the smart thing to do 332 00:18:55,750 --> 00:18:58,450 because then you're not wandering off compared to 333 00:18:58,450 --> 00:18:59,950 like where people might be looking for you. 334 00:18:59,950 --> 00:19:02,650 But in this case, we're going to say that you stayed 335 00:19:02,650 --> 00:19:05,450 there for like a few days and it's clear that your 336 00:19:05,450 --> 00:19:07,950 buddies can't get back to you or haven't. 337 00:19:07,950 --> 00:19:09,450 You can't find your way out. 338 00:19:09,450 --> 00:19:12,850 So the smartest bet is to hike over to the river 339 00:19:12,850 --> 00:19:17,050 because as I pointed out, rivers generally flow 340 00:19:17,050 --> 00:19:21,450 from north to south and civilizations tend to spring 341 00:19:21,450 --> 00:19:23,250 up around rivers. 342 00:19:23,250 --> 00:19:23,650 Yeah. 343 00:19:23,650 --> 00:19:27,650 So that's generally the best move to do provided 344 00:19:27,650 --> 00:19:30,750 that you can ration your food and you have enough 345 00:19:30,750 --> 00:19:31,850 food and water. 346 00:19:31,850 --> 00:19:34,650 Well, we see this is this is why you need to make it 347 00:19:34,650 --> 00:19:36,550 something like a spirit because then you can just 348 00:19:36,550 --> 00:19:38,850 have the fish if need be. 349 00:19:38,850 --> 00:19:40,650 No. 350 00:19:40,650 --> 00:19:44,050 Delicious fresh fish and you do have some camping gear. 351 00:19:44,050 --> 00:19:45,650 I don't like fish that much. 352 00:19:45,650 --> 00:19:48,150 But still, I mean, you do have camping gear. 353 00:19:48,150 --> 00:19:50,850 So like it's not to say that you don't have the 354 00:19:50,850 --> 00:19:53,950 ability to start a fire or boil water like you have 355 00:19:53,950 --> 00:19:55,250 basic camping gear. 356 00:19:55,250 --> 00:19:58,750 Also, I don't know if I can actually get sawdust. 357 00:19:58,750 --> 00:20:02,150 But can I get sawdust? 358 00:20:02,150 --> 00:20:05,550 So you have a pocket knife if we presume it's a Swiss 359 00:20:05,550 --> 00:20:06,450 Army knife. 360 00:20:06,450 --> 00:20:09,450 Swiss Army knives do have like a little saw to be able 361 00:20:09,450 --> 00:20:13,950 to cut like really thin twigs and stuff and that 362 00:20:13,950 --> 00:20:15,950 could produce some sawdust. 363 00:20:15,950 --> 00:20:23,050 Just know that that sawdust might not be as flammable 364 00:20:23,050 --> 00:20:26,650 because it's coming from a live tree unless you're 365 00:20:26,650 --> 00:20:30,150 using the little saw on something that's dead already 366 00:20:30,150 --> 00:20:32,250 in which case the sawdust is nice and dry. 367 00:20:32,250 --> 00:20:32,850 Okay. 368 00:20:32,850 --> 00:20:36,150 Yeah, I would do that because I have a plan if need be 369 00:20:36,150 --> 00:20:37,850 if I need to scare away something. 370 00:20:37,850 --> 00:20:40,250 I have a dumb idea. 371 00:20:40,250 --> 00:20:43,550 So I would like take more of that other tent because 372 00:20:43,550 --> 00:20:47,450 I don't need two tents and try to make a bag. 373 00:20:47,450 --> 00:20:50,150 I'm just thinking about logically what I could do 374 00:20:50,150 --> 00:20:54,850 if I had any skill at surviving. 375 00:20:54,850 --> 00:20:55,350 Okay. 376 00:20:55,350 --> 00:21:00,050 So like what would you be doing? 377 00:21:00,050 --> 00:21:02,050 So encountering an animal of some sort. 378 00:21:02,050 --> 00:21:05,450 So let's say you're getting a sense that, you know, 379 00:21:05,450 --> 00:21:09,350 as you've been walking down past the river or following 380 00:21:09,350 --> 00:21:14,350 the river south, you're getting a sense that there's 381 00:21:14,350 --> 00:21:16,650 there's a bear that's a little bit curious about the 382 00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:17,950 smells that it's been smelling. 383 00:21:17,950 --> 00:21:20,250 I mean, like you've been cooking fish. 384 00:21:20,250 --> 00:21:24,150 Bears like fish generally speaking. 385 00:21:24,150 --> 00:21:31,320 So what's your plan for dealing with bear? 386 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,620 I mean, it generally won't attack you, but it's 387 00:21:34,620 --> 00:21:36,920 it's smelling the food. 388 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,220 So so so you remember Mithbusters, right? 389 00:21:41,220 --> 00:21:43,020 Yes, I'm aware of the show. 390 00:21:43,020 --> 00:21:45,720 Do you remember the episode where they take some 391 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,620 sawdusts? 392 00:21:46,620 --> 00:21:47,620 Oh wait, no wait. 393 00:21:47,620 --> 00:21:50,120 Oh no, I can't do that. 394 00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:52,120 I was gonna say, where are you going to get compressed air 395 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:52,820 from? 396 00:21:52,820 --> 00:21:56,220 No, I'm remembering that you need ice for it. 397 00:21:56,220 --> 00:21:57,820 Oh, piecrete. 398 00:21:57,820 --> 00:22:01,620 No, no, I'm thinking of the time where they put 399 00:22:01,620 --> 00:22:04,520 ice and then sawdust and then you stick a flare in it 400 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,520 and it makes a huge explosion. 401 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,220 I forgot you need ice for it though. 402 00:22:09,220 --> 00:22:10,220 So I can't do that. 403 00:22:10,220 --> 00:22:14,320 No, no, you're mixing up two different episodes. 404 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,220 The ice and sawdust was to make piecrete, which is 405 00:22:18,220 --> 00:22:22,420 like was supposedly stronger than normal ice. 406 00:22:22,420 --> 00:22:26,120 The episode where they have the giant fireball is 407 00:22:26,120 --> 00:22:29,420 literally they put a flare in a barrel of sawdust 408 00:22:29,420 --> 00:22:31,920 and then have compressed air shoot up from under the 409 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,020 sawdust to shoot it up into the air and then that sets 410 00:22:35,020 --> 00:22:36,520 on fire. 411 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,420 Oh, I thought I thought it was just. 412 00:22:39,420 --> 00:22:41,920 But either way, you don't have the resources to do 413 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:42,920 either of those. 414 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,520 You don't have compressed air. 415 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,320 I mean, I have sawdust and flares. 416 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,320 So yeah. 417 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,920 I mean, bears generally keep away from fire too. 418 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,720 So you could always just use the sawdust as a fire starter. 419 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,520 Yeah. 420 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,920 Or like you could put a ring of sawdust around your camp 421 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,620 and then if you hear something in the little night like 422 00:23:02,620 --> 00:23:06,420 light that from your fire and depending on how much of the 423 00:23:06,420 --> 00:23:11,120 fuel from the isn't the ATV I could use some of that to. 424 00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:13,220 So you're going to take the ATV with you. 425 00:23:13,220 --> 00:23:16,720 You're going to be like kind of driving that as you go. 426 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,820 We're pulling it. 427 00:23:17,820 --> 00:23:18,320 We're pulling it. 428 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,900 Depending on which would be better. 429 00:23:22,900 --> 00:23:27,400 But long story short, your survival instincts are 430 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:28,100 actually good. 431 00:23:28,100 --> 00:23:31,700 Now granted, I don't know if I believe that you could put 432 00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:34,200 together a spear. 433 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,100 I don't know if I could put together a spear. 434 00:23:36,100 --> 00:23:39,000 I mean, I might be able to like I have a general sense of 435 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:39,500 how to do that. 436 00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:40,400 I was in Scout. 437 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:45,200 You know, you know, you could just cut off piece of the 438 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:49,200 ATV and basically make a crowbar. 439 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,400 I mean, not like crowbar. 440 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,000 Well, again, if you have like a Swiss army knife, you can 441 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,400 actually unscrew things from the ATV because you have a 442 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,400 Phillips head and a flathead screwdriver. 443 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,800 So but generally speaking, I'm going to say in this 444 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,100 situation you escape and the reason is if you're 445 00:24:08,100 --> 00:24:10,700 following a river, chances are that you're eventually 446 00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:15,800 going to come across civilization and obviously with 447 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:19,100 rivers and moisture come more opportunities for 448 00:24:19,100 --> 00:24:23,200 potentially wild plants that you can eat. 449 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:28,600 Animals tend to come by to rivers to be able to drink. 450 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,700 So you might be able to set up traps and stuff if 451 00:24:30,700 --> 00:24:33,900 you can figure out how to do that. 452 00:24:33,900 --> 00:24:37,700 So generally speaking, I would say that because 453 00:24:37,700 --> 00:24:40,700 you found the river and you followed it, you're 454 00:24:40,700 --> 00:24:42,700 you're going to escape. 455 00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:44,400 So congratulations, sir. 456 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,500 Yeah, we. 457 00:24:46,500 --> 00:24:49,000 That was that was a good scenario. 458 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,200 I think all things considered, I probably couldn't 459 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:53,300 do any of those things. 460 00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:57,700 So except I can kind of climb trees. 461 00:24:57,700 --> 00:25:02,800 Oh, so just like last time the answer is he would 462 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,400 just sit there and die. 463 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,300 I'm just saying I don't know if I can do any of 464 00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:07,800 that. 465 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,700 I suck at time knots. 466 00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:14,500 I have a very important question though. 467 00:25:14,500 --> 00:25:18,500 Sir, you've just been rescued from from having spent 468 00:25:18,500 --> 00:25:20,100 a week in the woods. 469 00:25:20,100 --> 00:25:22,400 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